Double points for an ACT Series Event?

[Rallyray]

What are peoples thoughts on awarding double points to a Series Competitor if the event greatly exceeds the min comp distance specified by the committee? At present we specify that events should comprimise of a mimimum 100km competitive distance.
Officials points would be limited to the maximum of 22 points.

Would you be happy with awarding double points for events that had more than 200km competitive distance?

[Bede]

Would you have to have both of the crew registered to score double points?

[Spac]

In many ways, a 'double length' event should be worth double points as it is essentially two events in one - twice the fuel, twice the tyres, twice the chance of DNFing, twice the accom (maybe) etc.

On the other hand, it then essentially becomes two rounds on the one weekend/day, which makes a mess of the official's points, dropped rounds etc.

As a semi-serious competitor, I have no real opinion on it, but thinking of it from a 'management' point of view, it screams "shyt-fight".

[Annatastic]

What is the point? I don't understand what you/the series would gain by doing it?
Surely if you win, you win?

The Giro proved that people will turn up to events that offer something a little bit different. Those events offering lots of kms will be popular with most people anyway...
And if events with lots of kms aren't your bag, then why should you be 'punished' by only being allowed to score 22 officials points?

Logistically, if an event offered double points for competitors eg. a maximum of 44 for first and only offers 22 for officials, then the event may struggle to get enough officials (which is enough of a problem already).....if you entered you wouldn't have to finish very far up your category field to score more than 22 points, assuming points were doubled

[Bogan]

Would the entry fee still be capped at $350 (or whatever it may be indexed to in future years)?

You could run it as two rounds with restart facility or enter one or the other, possibly with bonus points if you finish both?

Put something in writing to the committee today.

T.

[Rallyray]

If the full event is an ACT series round it would be capped to $350 etc IMO.

I'm (as a member of the committee) just trying to guage peoples responses. Obviously I have my preferences just like everyone else.

[tamsey]

You dont listen Raymond.

Currently the event is huge with more kms then last years event which is making it harder to run it at a $350 entry fee.

What would people think if we ran it at like $400 if everyone including the Committee approves. I noticed that similar things can be done for NSW but a letter has to be send to the panel for consideration.

[TKM]

Anna's points are right. You're basically forcing people to enter the event because of the opportunity to score double points, if you didn’t you’d severely handicap your point score and limit your Series changes. Like Anna said, you wouldn’t have to finish very far up to get a good haul of points. And then to expect them to pay more than the $350 maximum entry fee adds insult to injury.

You’d also end up suffering with officials as a result, and if you turned around and said that officials also scored double points, you’d end up with no entries at all. It’s catch 22, not to mention the administrative nightmare.

[Kate]

right on, Mark.

[tamsey]

I wouldnt worry about the double points at all. Too much hassle. My only concern is the running costs but I thought I'd ask the question while the regs arent out. Everyone know its a lot more expensive to run a 2 day event and maybe something should be added to say 2 day events have a higher but not stupid entry fee to allow for adminstraion costs. Basically Im running nearly twice a state event would but trying to make it affordable.

Whats everyone think, throw some ideas out and just because the regs have been written doesnt mean an amendment cant be added or as NSW does, a update later in the year.

[Bogan]

Run it as a non series event, you'd still get the entries and without the bitter aftertaste.

T.

[AV1611]

Can you run it in such a way that it is one event, but positions at the end of Day 1 count for the series, whereas positions at the end of Day 2 don't? A bit messy, I must admit...

[Annatastic]

Giro entry = $345 = Happy smiley punters.
Corsa entry = $350+ = Not happy smiley punters.

I don't want to raise a sore point here but NatCap 2005 (?) wanted a higher entry fee and after the poop-fight had calmed down, it didn't happen.

Another thing to consider is the budgets of the competitors in general. I will probably have a couple of 'special' events whereby I will pay a few more dollars entry fee. These have been worked out well in advance of seeing any Series/Supp regs.....they are potentially RoC*, Forster, Alpine. Adding another event with a $350+ entry to that will hurt my season budget... even if it is only $50-$100.

One of the reasons that the ACT Series is sucessful is that punters know that it will be $350 or less.

Cut the kms IMO.... don't forget that punters who want distance and endurance should/will/ought to do the Alpine.

I'll shutup now

*although a works ride won't be turned away!

[tamsey]

Why cant we have distance and endurance in the ACT Series. You have to remember also that because areas have been cut this year, doubling of stage is required and trying not to use the same old stuff is my aim.

Natcap tried to force, Im asking if it will be ok to do so. We're are planning a bigger rally then Giro and the admin costs are higher, damn govt.

We're only looking for $50 increase which is a one off 2 day, once a year event. Growth and expension is always needed when looking at our sports future. Its still $100-125 less then a state round with twice the kms.

[Bogan]

Originally Posted by tamsey

...doubling of stage is required and trying not to use the same old stuff is my aim.

Cut the km and only use some stuff once then. Double stages are for kitty cats with smail hairless ones anyway.



T.