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Old 04-06-2007, 04:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What is a 'Safety Check'?

I've been trying to figure out what constitutes a Safety Check – Lights, Helmet, Belts, Seats, Extinguishers (and Apparel for state level and above)

Went online to have a look at the CAMS Manual and looked here http://www.camsmanual.com.au/road.asp in the .pdf file that mentions Scrutineering for Rally Cars.

At the bottom, it lists all the things that will be subject to scrutineering, but I can't find any mention of what items are subject to a specific safety check.
I called CAMS, just to see if this was something that had its own separate form/checklist, but the person I spoke to suggested I speak to my NSWRAP Chairman (Hi Ian!) to find out.
So this then got me thinking about why I as referred to Ian, as I would have thought that this is something that CAMS should sanction, in the same way that they do with scrutiny. I would have thought that items subject to a safety check would be highlighted on the scrutineering list, or that there would be some kind of tick box type form with which to safety check a car, but there isn’t….

Which then led me to start thinking about the basis of the Safety Check in the first place.... where was this started? how did it come about, and more importantly why?

If this has no apparent basis in the Manual, then what basis does it have? Especially given that all items that are to be checked are mentioned on the Scrutineering form (Including licenses). Is this something that exists in unpublished CAMS policy?
If there is no finite list of items that are subject to a safety check, then where does scrutiny end and safety check begin? Are we simply re-scrutineering a car for the purposes of being able to say that the event nominated scrutineer has physically inspected ALL the competing cars? if this is the case, then why have regional scrutiny at all if the responsibility for scrutineering comes down to one person? and where a safety check is specified, if an item ‘fails’ on a car, how is one to know whether that item was subject to a safety check or not?

Hmmm.... maybe I haven't had enough coffee, or perhaps it's those pseudoephidrine-rich cold and flu pills kicking in, but I can’t help but wonder why the safety check is necessary if the items to checked aren’t specified….
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Old 04-06-2007, 05:15 PM   #2 (permalink)
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A waste of everybodys time if it has been scrutineered by a suitably qualified person.


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This needs to be formalised or removed. It's either required by insurance, legal, etc or it's not.

You're spot on Anna, time for some clarity please!!
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Havent there been cases of people presenting other peoples "approved" safety gear at regional scruteening and then re-installing unapproved safety gear before the race.

Did it come from this perhaps

And if it needs to be done why not at the first start control with a 5min early arrival?
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Havent there been cases of people presenting other peoples "approved" safety gear at regional scruteening and then re-installing unapproved safety gear before the race.
People who do those sorts of things would do them regardless of when the safety check was IMO. If they don't care about the rules they don't care about when they break them just as long as they think they're reduce the chance of getting caught. Of course those people tend to be pompous forkers who just rub far too many people up the wrong way to be thinking they'll get away with sheet like that

I don't think it came from that, safety check has been around longer than me (this is my 8th season) and as far as I know regional scrutineering came about as a way of not needing safety check... apparently someone forgot to tell Organisers...
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I don't think it came from that, safety check has been around longer than me (I navved for Jesus once when he borrowed Fred Flintstone's car)
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Just as an aside, at many off road events they do spot checks that people are doing the right thing.

Check for appropriate clothing/shoes/ arm restraints etc.

If there is a real need for it an occasional PPC on a tranpsort could take care of it and the word would soon get out amongst the cheats.
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But there is no real need for it, we have safety checks
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