Bonnie Doon entry list

[Deano]

Just curious to see if anyone has seen an entry list for Bonnie Doon coming up this weekend.

Cheers
Deano

[Dave Kelly]

No Worries Dean,

Email with Furthers and provisional starting order came through today (after being posted on the Victorian egroup overnight).

..oh and a full field of 70 cars (plus a couple of reserves) for the first round of the 2008 Victorian Club Rally Series! (and just 5 sleeps to go!!!)

See attached prov start order below.

Cheers

David

[Deano]

Cheers for that David

[Deano]

Car 23....... can only go forward from there

[Dave Kelly]

Originally Posted by Deano

Car 23....... can only go forward from there

Car 2 for us..... hoping that we can only go forward!

[KPW]

Can you decode the classes column for us David?

[Stewy]

Car 23 huh, we were car 6 last year and had a stage win with a couple of 2nd OR's as well and finished 4th OR. Oh well, Its all good at least were able to run, and the pub will have beers afterwards

[180BSSS]

Can you decode the classes column for us David?

Class A: up to and including 1400cc
Class B: over 1401cc, up to and including 1600cc
Class C: over 1601cc, up to and including 2000cc
Class D: over 2000cc 2 Wheel Drive.
Class E: over 2000cc 4 Wheel Drive

[Dave Kelly]

Originally Posted by KPW

Can you decode the classes column for us David?

Does this help?

Originally posted in the VCRS Series Rules
Article 3.3.2
The following vehicle classes shall apply for the Series:
• Class A up to and including 1400cc
• Class B over 1400cc, up to and including 1600cc
• Class C over 1600cc, up to and including 2000cc
• Class D Over 2000cc 2 wheel drive
• Class E Over 2000cc 4 wheel drive
Note: Capacity is multiplied by a factor of 1.7 for forced induction (turbo chargers etc.) and by a factor of 1.8 for rotary powered cars. Competitors are to ensure these factors are applied if necessary when nominating a class upon entry.

oh and start order is determined by ballot from within the grade of the driver as per the grading list published on an annual basis (however on occasion minor updates to grading occur within the usual calendar year applicability following approval by the Victorian Rally Advisory Panel). So, grade B's are grouped in start order before C's, who are before D's etc etc

Gradings are determined based on finishing position in multi-club level events and above, with the higher the level of the event, the deeper into the results and/or the higher grade attained based on the result. Gradings are also attained through overall series results as well for the VRC and VCRS.

Grades are held as driver, co-driver and navigator (i.e. 3 grades for each person as per the list.. although, you dont get on the list unless you are graded D or above in at least one of the 3 categories..

Now if you want me to explain why the width between rails (gauge) on a rail track is 4 feet 8 and a half inches in NSW, yet 5 feet 3 inches in Victoria... ummm.. can I take a while to consider that!

Cheers

David

[Dave Kelly]

Originally Posted by Stewy

Car 23 huh, we were car 6 last year and had a stage win with a couple of 2nd OR's as well and finished 4th OR. Oh well, Its all good at least were able to run, and the pub will have beers afterwards

Hey Carl,

Your 4th Outright gve you an entree onto the Victorian grading list as a grade D (when the 2008 list was published a couple of months back...based on results here in Victoria from 2007 (and earlier)).

Originally posted in Victorian Grading List for those graded D and above, 5 February 2008 Version
Name

Carl Stewart

Driver Grade
D

When Graded
2008

Reason Graded
VCRS 4th to 6th

The VCRS 4th to 6th usually refers to results from the year prior to the year thegrading was attained, and in case you were wondering, you are noted as a grade E navigator and a grade E co-driver as well (at least here in Victoria!). BTW, if you had been placed 1st to 3rd at Bonnie Doon 2007, then your grade would have been a C.

Upgrade recognition for multi-club events such as Bonnie Doon occurs only for the first 6 places (as in 1 to 3 go to grade C at next annual update if they are not at that grade or above already, and 4 to 6 go to grade D..ditto).

For State Championship events, 1st to 10th go to C, and 11th to 15th go to D.

One of the really crazy things about the Victorian system is that there has been cases of really small events and all finishers thus becoming eligible for upgrade. In fact a couple of years ago, there was a multi-club event piggy-backed onto a VRC, and the multi-club had just 3 competitors from recollection. I can't quite recall whether all 3 finished, but I'm fairly certain at least 2 of them did.. and they both got upgraded at the next upgrade anniversary!

oops.. did I say crazy? are there any Victorian based mod's?

Cheers (and waiting to be marched to the border!)

David

[KPW]

Originally Posted by Go_anna

Does this help?

Yup. How does that relate to the PRC classes, and Historics, Classics etc.? Or is it not meant to relate to it at all?

Interesting about the driver grading system. I didn't realise Victoria still did that. Driver grading has no meaning in NSW anymore apart from bragging rights I think.

[DaveTrees]

Originally Posted by KPW

Yup. How does that relate to the PRC classes, and Historics, Classics etc.? Or is it not meant to relate to it at all?

Interesting about the driver grading system. I didn't realise Victoria still did that. Driver grading has no meaning in NSW anymore apart from bragging rights I think.

It doesn't relate at all .... grades are based purely on results in events

Only club-level events are still ballotted on driver/crew grade.

As most club-level events are at least partially navigational, it's not really possible to properly seed them on stage times. Bonnie Doon is of course routecharted .... but because it's part of the VCRS it uses the same start order procedure as other VCRS rounds.

The current grading system isn't perfect, but it's better than it was pre-2000ish after myself & a few others did a revamp of the grading criteria.

No-one down here gets overly fussed about start order anyway !

[KPW]

Sorry Dave, I didn't mean how do the classes relate to driver grading or vice versa, I meant how does the A, B, C, D etc. relate to the PRC classes, if at all.

The driver grading thing is a digression... yeah, results based. All good.

Cheers

K

[DaveTrees]

Originally Posted by KPW

I meant how does the A, B, C, D etc. relate to the PRC classes, if at all.

Pretty much the same, except the >2L class is separated into 2WD & 4WD, and there is no differentiation between P5 & P6.