2008 NSW Rally Panel Disolved

[afifield]

You might like to take a look at the "latest" rally calendar, as published by the 2008 rally panel. That's all I've worked from to come up with 9 events under their jurisdiction. I haven't bothered to keep up with any rescheduling or cancellations, which might change the figures a bit.

I'll admit though, that I was wide of the mark for the new "out of the ordinary" event, as it's being run under AMSAG sanctioning. It wasn't one of the 9 on the RAP calendar though.

[PeterO]

Originally Posted by afifield

You might like to take a look at the "latest" rally calendar, as published by the 2008 rally panel. That's all I've worked from to come up with 9 events under their jurisdiction. I haven't bothered to keep up with any rescheduling or cancellations, which might change the figures a bit.

I'll admit though, that I was wide of the mark for the new "out of the ordinary" event, as it's being run under AMSAG sanctioning. It wasn't one of the 9 on the RAP calendar though.

where do you find that calendar?

[Jimmy]

Peter and Andrew,

Calendar is at www.nswrally.com in the Documents Rally Panel section and it does need an up date. Will try and do it over the weekend or Monday if I still have access.

However to provide guidance the CAMS Rallies/Rallysprints left for 2008 are:

2 State Rounds left Natcap 25/10 and Coffs 15/11, the final Clubman Round is running this weekend at Kowen and Rally des Femmes is still scheduled for Dec 6 I believe.

Bago has been cancelled, Bombala has been cancelled, Mini Dulla cancelled, Coffs Harbour Rallysprint has been cancelled.

WAC will run a State Rallysprint on 18 Oct to replace the cancelled Coffs one.

Haven't got a clue re the HDCC Intro event for 13 dec.

Graham Humphreys will do the admin/paper work checking for these and Matt Sosimenko will continue to maintain the pointscore.

Jim Gleeson
ex-Secretary 2008 NSWRAP

[Jimmy]

Originally Posted by Jimmy

Peter and Andrew,

Calendar is at www.nswrally.com in the Documents Rally Panel section and it does need an up date. Will try and do it over the weekend or Monday if I still have access.

Jim Gleeson
ex-Secretary 2008 NSWRAP

Done......

[Adrian]

As a member of the NSW state Executive I have been asked to post the following

Good afternoon all



The forum should be reminded that all advisory panels, under their
terms of reference, report to the State Executive which has final
control of CAMS events in NSW.

A forum is not the place to air reasons why people resign from panels
unless the individuals concerned wish to comment, however the decision
to dissolve the Panel was only taken after MUCH deliberation and
consideration of what was still required this year for the completion
of the competition year and the set up of the 2009 calendar.

The people appointed to ensure these important activities continue
have years of experience and have the sport of Rally as their first
concern.

Some of these individuals have differing opinions to me, others do
not, however they will represent rallying properly and I can assure
everyone that personalities did not enter into any of the decision
making.

Should anyone wish to discuss this further with me, as some of you
have already, do not hesitate to call me on - 02 9672 1000 during
business hours.

Thank you

Geoff Arnold

[afifield]

I'm sorry Adrian, but If I were you I'd be more than a bit embarrassed about posting that on behalf of anyone.

The guy doesn't even know what our particular discipline of motorsport is called. Is he referring to the sport that so many people have competed in for a lot of years, or is he referring to the sport that John Smailes "created" a few years ago? Yes, I do know Geoff's background (and the relationships involved), and I reserve my right to an opinion of what has happened.

For the members that make this sport to be told "F... off, we know what's best for you and you'll do what we tell you and don't ask any questions" is a bit on-the-nose. It's time for the state exec to explain their intentions to the members of CAMS (i.e the people that they answer to), not just pretend to have thought about it for a few minutes.

[CMD]

Originally Posted by Adrian

As a member of the NSW state Executive I have been asked to post the following

Sure, that it all good, it is Fro's business why he resigned but you can't expect people not to speculate why the WHOLE panel was relieved of their duties seemingly without explanation. And what the effect is going to be for NSW rallying with a potential flow on effect to the ACT.

Being a sponsor, I am incredibly nervous about committing money to next year without knowing what will happen and that, as far as I can see, the State Exec dissolved a panel of incredibly experienced and knowledgable people

[Factor]

As for Geoff suggesting what this forum should or shouldnt do - or what should or shouldnt be discussed, I have two words, and they involve procreation and travel.

I should point out under the brave new, yet to commence, world the state council has no such control, rally paenl will be reporting to ARCOM.

And I think we all know Adrian & Jim and MAtt and this is certainly not about them, but it is about process.

[Marcus]

This is the part I strongly object to - And note Adrian, this is not directed at you.

A forum is not the place to air reasons why people resign from panels

And just pray tell in the sense of openness and proper communication IS the proper channel? What, the previous RAP memebers arent allowed to say anything Geoff? We arent allowed to know? We arent allowed to speculate? This is a disgraceful stance for anyone to take.

I have two words, and they involve procreation and travel.

Andrew, I'm not chasing wanting to sit on a CAMS board so I WILL say it.

**** OFF. I for one WILL continue to diiscuss what I want, where I want, with who I want. This frankly I will view as an attempt at censorship. We have the right to discuss these issues and will continue to do so.

Maybe instead of riling people up, more communication be given so people dont instantly think the worst. And dont get their knickers in a knot.

C has a lot to learn in this regard. You are responsible to US, the people to pay money to CAMS. This seems to be all to often forgotten. YOU serve US.

The forum should be reminded that all advisory panels, under their
terms of reference, report to the State Executive which has final
control of CAMS events in NSW.

And this is a reminder of the above. You serve us and you thence should report to us. WE are the ones who pay money to CAMS and expect a return. You are not doing your job, else AASA would not exist. And you are not doing your job if the rumour mill gets out of control and rallyists feel liek they are being boned yet again.

So remind me why I pay CAMS for again if I read BS like this?

[Spac]

Wow.

As well as his involvement with the RAP and the BMSC, Fro is a long time member and participant of these forums, so he is well known and (dare I say it) well-liked by the majority of interested/speculating parties.

So for anyone to try the condescending "You forumers shouldn't speculate about why he resigned", with the clear implication that they're somehow protecting Fro (from who-knows-what), is actually quite offensive.

Once again, this bit of official CAMS correspondence* smacks of closed ranks, 'not quite right' deals, and a general need to silence any dissenting/questioning voices.

I'd love to hear the State Exec's justification for not simply promoting the Vice-Chair into the Chairman's role, as is normal practice.
Such a course of action is normal, expected, requires no justification, and can be reasonably expected to produce the expected outcomes WRT the '08 panel's remaining duties.

However, the path they've chosen is quite unusual, is virtually certain to disenfranchise most/all of the dismissed panel members, is risky in terms of expected outcomes, and generally smells more than a bit whiffy.
Hey, I'd love to be wrong, but while-ever we're coping the standard issue "Ignore the issues, don't address anyone's concerns, just feed them superficial tripe/wave red herrings around", then I will remain highly suspicious.

*Or is it?

[bob moore]

Is this an attempt by CAMS to drive all NSW rally people into the arms of AMSAG?

AMSAG is probably awash with membership applications! They are probably thinking "with enemies* like these, you don't need friends."


* i.e. CAMS

[MattC]

Originally Posted by bob moore

Is this an attempt by CAMS to drive all NSW rally people into the arms of AMSAG?

AMSAG is probably awash with membership applications! They are probably thinking "with enemas like these, you don't need friends."

Fixed

[Factor]

You have an option people - you need to ensure that as many clubs as possible get together and demand answers from the state exec and ensure that when voting time for state council and elected director comes around that you remember this sort of rubbish.

[CMD]

Can someone please enlighten me as to who are the State Exec members?

Geoff Arnold
Adrian Dudok
?
?

[Ric Cary]

Originally Posted by CMD

Can someone please enlighten me as to who are the State Exec members?

Geoff Arnold
Adrian Dudok
?
?

The Chairman is Neil Turner I believe the rest I don't know