Coffs Harbour Regs available - Brindabella Motor Sport Club

Ric Cary · 10-10-2008, 11:43 AM

http://www.rally.com.au/data/CoffsCo...tRally2008.pdf

Discuss

Griffo · 10-10-2008, 12:06 PM

Looks pretty good to me. All options covered for State guys, can run however many days you can afford..

Even have your own BBQ on Saturday after event finish.
Would be good to see a few State guys compete on both days & see how close to the front running ARC crews they can get, just like they did in the old Coffs ARC days.

msgofast · 10-10-2008, 12:19 PM

Looks good, only thing that might upset a few is affectively all ARC people will take points from the NSWRC crews?

Ric Cary · 10-10-2008, 12:26 PM

Here is one question that just pops into my head
The field can't be seeded together for various regulatory reasons and apparently a " timing issue" although depending on which side of the regulatory authorities you listen to this problem does or does not exist Go figure !!!

Yet as always those who can afford or want to can buy road position into the ARC field and thru some wonder of modern technology their times are correlated against the NSW state field and they can be awarded points in the NSW Championship event which is totally separate.
So if that can be done for those who "pay" for the priveledge why can't the whole group of cars run as 1 field and let the wonders of modern technology sort the point scores.

Is it because car 12 in the ARC would not be in the top 20 of the NSWRC event.

Yeah I know sour grapes, Cary's whingeing again etc etc etc. but I have no vested interest I'm certainly not chasing any Championship after the season we have had
but its just bloody ridiculous and the excuses just keep getting weaker.much like the ARC fields

Jimmy · 10-10-2008, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by msgofast

Looks good, only thing that might upset a few is affectively all ARC people will take points from the NSWRC crews?

Only if the ARC entered crew nominate at the the time of entry to receive State Points...see Article 5.2 of the Regs and are eligible to do so...see Artcle 5.3 of Regs

I reckon it looks good...

Griffo · 10-10-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ric Cary

Here is one question that just pops into my head
The field can't be seeded together for various regulatory reasons and apparently a " timing issue" although depending on which side of the regulatory authorities you listen to this problem does or does not exist Go figure !!!

Yet as always those who can afford or want to can buy road position into the ARC field and thru some wonder of modern technology their times are correlated against the NSW state field and they can be awarded points in the NSW Championship event which is totally separate.
So if that can be done for those who "pay" for the priveledge why can't the whole group of cars run as 1 field and let the wonders of modern technology sort the point scores.

I dont feel that the small difference in road position changes much.
At the GLR Boaden & Brinkman were faster than Darby. I couldnt see much changing if Darby was running in the State field as Boaden & Brinkman were.
Evans at ROC setting same times as APRC guys.

The cream will always rise to the top. We need to encourage State competitors to pay the extra & get amongst it...

Ric Cary · 10-10-2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy

Only if the ARC entered crew nominate at the the time of entry to receive State Points...see Article 5.2 of the Regs and are eligible to do so...see Artcle 5.3 of Regs

I reckon it looks good...

Jim how does that work? there is no registration requirement in the NSW organisers conditions or comp conditions If you are there and entered you score points so if that is being extended to the ARC field according to the regs its 1 in all in.

Kagan · 10-10-2008, 01:39 PM

Novel idea I know, but why not one field, seeded by their road speed not there financial contribution!!!

You want ARC points, you register for ARC and pay the money, you want to mix it with the fastest guys in the country, you enter the event!!! Wouldn't it be great if life was just that easy!!! One event, one set of results, two sets of point allocations... no different to clubman and state together if you ask me!!!

Ric Cary · 10-10-2008, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Kagan

Novel idea I know, but why not one field, seeded by their road speed not there financial contribution!!!

You want ARC points, you register for ARC and pay the money, you want to mix it with the fastest guys in the country, you enter the event!!! Wouldn't it be great if life was just that easy!!! One event, one set of results, two sets of point allocations... no different to clubman and state together if you ask me!!!

Its a safety issue

Jimmy · 10-10-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ric Cary

Jim how does that work? there is no registration requirement in the NSW organisers conditions or comp conditions If you are there and entered you score points so if that is being extended to the ARC field according to the regs its 1 in all in.

Ric first you have to be eligible to score NSW State Points.

The NSW Competition Conditions Section 4.1 Registration states "Pre registration is not required. Competitors who have a NSW issued CAMS licence will earn points and be eligible for Awards by entering the event.

Competitors who do not have a NSW issues CAMS licence but who wish to be deemed to be NSW Competitors, must apply in writing not less than six weeks prior to their first event to the NSW Rally Advisory Panel outlining why they should be considered a bona fide NSW Competitor"

So that takes care of the eligibility and Article 5.3 and I suppose it would be fair to say some regular ARC drivers would be eligble to score ("take away") State Points.

I would assume, and am very happy to be corrected, that Article 5.2 of the ARC Regs re nominating eligibility at the time of entry is so the the organisers know who in the ARC field to also score in the NSW results as well. And I would again assume it also allows potentially the likes of Bates, Guest etc who probably have NSW issued CAMS licences to NOT nominate and so not take away State Points.

Its a bit messy I agree and I could be totally out of my depth here..

Kagan · 10-10-2008, 01:48 PM

You crazy state buggers can't be trusted to play safely with the ARC guys hey!!!

Ric Cary · 10-10-2008, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy

Its a bit messy I agree and I could be totally out of my depth here..

Yep and also allows the opt out clause which has always been to hard at any other event, several people have attempted to opt out so as not to gift themselves points from 1 or 2 events to the detriment of those who are actvely chasing the tin ware....... amazing !!!!

kam_baker · 10-10-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy

Competitors who do not have a NSW issues CAMS licence but who wish to be deemed to be NSW Competitors, must apply in writing not less than six weeks prior to their first event to the NSW Rally Advisory Panel outlining why they should be considered a bona fide NSW Competitor"

Gee a bit hard now to apply when there is no panel - remember it got dissolved

Jimmy · 10-10-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kam_baker

Gee a bit hard now to apply when there is no panel - remember it got dissolved

yeah i had a

as i typed it....

Ric Cary · 10-10-2008, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kam_baker

Gee a bit hard now to apply when there is no panel - remember it got dissolved

Its Ok they now have Supa Panel comprising 2 senior officials from The Coffs Harbour ARC and 1 member of ARCOM and Jimmy and Sosi how could they go wrong