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18-12-2009, 08:59 PM
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CAMS Officials Training revisions
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Hello everyone,
Thank you to everyone who has provided assistance and feedback for the Training Package Review Stage 2 either by email, phone or written communications. As a number of you provided assistance across a number of areas you may receive this email more than once. If there are others you believe may be able to provide feedback and they have not received this communication, please feel free to forward the email along.
Provided below is a web link that will provide you with access to the training packages that have been upgraded to date. They are noted in DRAFT form for your further consideration and feedback. Part of the review has seen the creation of new Event Assessment Forms written to reflect competency based training and assessment. These are also provided with the training packages.
Please provide your comments to me via email by 8h January 2010.
Due to the enormity of the project and feedback received from over 100 officials the process has seen the following training packages rewritten:
Introductory Module
Circuit
Course Presenter
Event Assessor
Fire & rescue
Timing & Scoring
Steward
CAMS - Confederation of Australian Motor Sport
In January/February 2010 we aim to complete the following training packages that will also be made available for review with an intended roll out of all new training from February/March 2010.
Club Chief
Event Administration
Event Command
Off-Road
Rally
Scrutineer
Silver
Gold is in an investigatory stage
Delivery of Training
From 2010 the prerequisites required to deliver CAMS training is cited in each Course Presenter’s Guide to ensure there is no confusion on who is appropriately qualified to deliver CAMS training – the scheduling and allocation of training is determined by each state either by their respective State Training Coordinator/s and /or Sport and Club Development Officers. Access to current training materials will be via a web link to ensure we have the most current versions of training packages are being used by Presenters.
We have introduced the Australian Sports Commission Presenter and Event Assessor (EA) training which allows for current Presenters and EA’s to up-skill and will be the basis for all future Presenter and Event Assessor Training. All those with the current credentials are of course recognised – however we would encourage current Presenters and EA’s to take advantage of the new training so they are able to present these courses. Please note that only those with the ASC Presenter and Event Assessor training can deliver the new Course Presenter and Event Assessor training - representatives from each state have been trained during 2009 to roll out this new training. A detailed list of self nominated Course Presenters and Event Assessors (ASDC level trained noted) is available on the cams website - . CAMS - Confederation of Australian Motor Sport
Training Coordination
The Australian Officials Commission and each State Officiating Panel will be working in partnership with respective State Training Coordinators (where they are in place) and CAMS Sport and Club Development Officers to ensure each state’s training requirements are met.
A detailed “Proposed National Training Calendar 2010” is being put on the CAMS website. As we intend to expand on this training as requested the contents will remain fluid and all officials seeking training will be encouraged to contact their Sport and Cub Development Officer/s to confirm training.
To ensure national consistency of our training delivery and process a set of “Standard Operating Procedures” for the coordination and delivery of training has been prepared and is available ( hard copy only ) in each state office to assist State Training Coordinators and Sport and Club Development Officers.
Below information also being added and promoted on CAMS Website from new year
Recognition of Prior Learning/Experience
The introduction of the new RPL/E process will be in affect from 2010. Participants undertaking any CAMS training and event assessments to gain a Licence are able to apply for Recognition of Prior Learning/Experience (RPL/E). RPL/E will be granted when all the stated competencies and related learning outcomes of the Licence have been met. RPL/E information and resources will be on the CAMS website from January 2010 and should be used to guide applicants through the various steps involved in the RPL/E process.
Team Assessing
It has been identified that CAMS has a noticeable shortfall in the number of officials trained as Event Assessors. To address this shortfall a Team Assessment process will be introduced from 2010.
The teams will be made up of one person who has skills in assessing (CAMS Event Assessor), and one person who is the subject matter expert who has the “technical” skills of the task involved. This will enable a quality assessment to be conducted. “Technical” skills is deemed to be an official who holds a minimum of the level that they are Team Assessing someone at i.e. Bronze Official observing a Bronze candidate , Silver Official observing a Silver candidate or Gold Official observing a Gold candidate.
Please see examples of the Event Assessment Forms in the web link.
All current EA’s will be encouraged to undertake the new Event Assessor Course based on the Australian Sport Commission Model that highlights the Team Assessment Model. Those officials that already hold Event Assessor Licences will of course continue to be recognised.
In anticipation of your time and energy to provide feedback, thank you.
Regards
Julia Farrell
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18-12-2009, 10:17 PM
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That's UNCLE Marcus *4 to you!
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So umm.....
What it all mean for the uninitiated in corporatese? Is it easier to become a "trained official"? Are assessments easier?
The whole officals thing is so much a shot in both feet.
And readign some links, there's a 52 slide powerpoint on how to be a timing offical.
52 pages.
IT'S JUST A BLOODY STOPWATCH HOW HARD CAN IT BE!!!!!!!!!!
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19-12-2009, 02:02 AM
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I think it's easier to get RPL for my uni degree then it is for CAMS officials...
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19-12-2009, 04:24 AM
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there's a 52 slide powerpoint on how to be a timing offical.
52 pages.
IT'S JUST A BLOODY STOPWATCH HOW HARD CAN IT BE!!!!!!!!!!
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Obviously pretty hard 'cause they couldn't even get page 25 right!
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First it's easiest to re-organise the times ......
START TIME 10:57:36.7
FINISH TIME 10:59:57.9
START TIME 10:57:36.7
Then subtract the bottom one from the top
STAGE TIME 00:02:21.2
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Umm, according to my math teacher subtracting 10:57:36.7 from 10:57:36.7 gives a result of 00:00:00.0
OK, so we know what they meant but that's not the way it's written.
Doesn't instill a great deal of confidence!
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19-12-2009, 08:25 AM
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I haven't read it yet, but having feedback due by 8th January is sure to be 'helpful' when most interested people are about to finish work and go on holidays with their families. Cheers for putting this up here for us Lizzy.
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19-12-2009, 08:38 AM
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I had a chuckle as I cruised past the copyright declaration on whatever module, then that chuckle became a laugh as I read about balls, courts and games and saw clipart images of dudes in referee getups  . Clearly they've swiped it from some generic ASC stuff, but haven't bothered to actually change it before stamping their own name to it.
And yes Shell, I work in the tertiary education sector and it is easier to get RPL there. The difference is that tertiary types understand what they're looking at when you give them a testamur, whereas CAMS don't, nor do they have the resources (i.e. initiative and analytical skill) to check it out.
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19-12-2009, 09:34 AM
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Its rubbish - always has been always will be. Some self opinionated little twerp in Melbourne has the gall to decide whether I and those like me are fit to help out at our sport.
Idiots.
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19-12-2009, 05:52 PM
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Obviously pretty hard 'cause they couldn't even get page 25 right!
Umm, according to my math teacher subtracting 10:57:36.7 from 10:57:36.7 gives a result of 00:00:00.0
OK, so we know what they meant but that's not the way it's written.
Doesn't instill a great deal of confidence!
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You should have listened to your maths teacher a little closer. Subtract the bottom number from the top number is always a relative reference. Unlike addition, where the commutative law [and associative law] applies enabling multiple numbers to be added, subtraction is not commutative and is always an operation between only two numbers - and most people cannot manage the operation of subtracting a number from the one below [subtract the top number from the bottom number] and need to re-write the problem to enable them to do the familiar thing [subtract the bottom number from the top number]
Don't worry, in the workbook BOTH numbers were re-written, doubling the workload.
Most budding timekeepers would be able to cope with subtracting the top number from the bottom number [or a pair of course], and can even cope with subtracting the left number from the right, or the right number from the left - as required in the rally page of the workbook.
If timing was so easy, event scorers would not have to sort out so many problems before publishing results. Then again, I am not sure how many people will be rushing to do a time-keepers module.
Perhaps a page on "difficult issues in Rallying" would have been useful - may have to suggest it.
Peter
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19-12-2009, 06:36 PM
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Subtract the bottom number from the top number is always a relative reference.
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Bull**** ! There is a statement on the page giving a specific instruction which is incorrect.
Or are all the P&L Statements etc produced daily wrong? 
Maybe spreadsheets should be redesigned to reject any subtraction of a cell further down on the sheet from one near the top.
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Don't worry, in the workbook BOTH numbers were re-written, doubling the workload.
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More bull**** ! The page is laid out exactly as I posted above at the time I posted and in fact still is laid out that way.
Only the upper number (START TIME) was copied from the top of a two number column to the bottom, making a three number column.
Sorry, that makes a 50% increase, not double (well, it did when I did an Economics degree!)
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Perhaps a page on "difficult issues in Rallying" would have been useful - may have to suggest it.
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19-12-2009, 09:35 PM
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Nerd alert
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19-12-2009, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by aarc240
More bull**** ! The page is laid out exactly as I posted above at the time I posted and in fact still is laid out that way.
Only the upper number (START TIME) was copied from the top of a two number column to the bottom, making a three number column.
Sorry, that makes a 50% increase, not double (well, it did when I did an Economics degree!)

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You had a section copied from the powerpoint - the display that is spoken to.
I was specifically referring to the workbook - the thing participants fill in/follow. Page 23 of 79.
Peter
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20-12-2009, 12:21 AM
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It is somehow all good if one part is screwed up and the other is OK?
Sorry, it's still sloppy workmanship.
That powerpoint slide is what an on-line student will be presented with and should be correct.
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20-12-2009, 07:34 AM
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Redefining slow .....
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Here's a novel idea ..... why not drop the appropriate person in CAMS an email pointing out that there is an error in the training materials, so that they can fix it ?
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20-12-2009, 10:24 AM
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hers an even noveller idea, how about they stop publishing this crap without even reading it, how about they consult with highly qualified educationalists in CAMS like Miss and get their advice, how about they stop telling us what to do. How about they treat us like mature people.
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20-12-2009, 10:24 AM
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Here's a novel idea ..... why not drop the appropriate person in CAMS an email pointing out that there is an error in the training materials, so that they can fix it ?
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No can do... we need a poll to work out whether they are wrong first! (fwiw, I think the slide is wrong.. even if it is technically right as per PO's post)
I also question the material, I think the days of 55 page powerpoint training belong back in the 90's *snooze*  . There should be some basic pre-session theory (5 slides) - and then trackside training (groups of 5 - 10 max) at an event, be it a rally, an autocross or a motorkhana.
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