"Pointless Rules" and BS - State Your Case Here!

[MattC]

Originally Posted by Marcus

Hell, I dont understand why you need suits at ARC but eh.

Even FIA relaxed the reg when the drivers complained abou the heat on the safari rally, they got away with short sleeved t shirts ffs!

[daewoo]

Originally Posted by mattc

even fia relaxed the reg when the drivers complained abou the heat on the safari rally, they got away with short sleeved t shirts ffs!

and they weren't burned to a crisp... How the hell did they survive???

[Ric Cary]

Originally Posted by Marcus

Clothing regulations. There is utterly NO sense as to why state events must have all the kit and kaboodle. Why do we require suits and all the other nonsense? No one has justified this from the ONLY appropriate POV - safety. There is absolutly no reason why the standard long sleeves and jeans are not fine. Just one of those things that makes the cost add up.

Yet on the same roads in the same car but a different event I am fine at clubman level?

Hell, I dont understand why you need suits at ARC but eh.

Marcus you have answered your own question, ARC fields were dieing every ARC round needed propping up by State level competitors ( and still do ) but lots of State competitors didn't see the need for suits etc so this was seen as a stumbling block ( they wouldn't present the right " image" )although why the phark that should have posed a problem I'll never know looking at the way non arc competitors are totally ignored. solution mandate suits etc at state level..... ooops no sorry its all about safety !!!

[crowleyaj]

Originally Posted by Ric Cary

Marcus you have answered your own question, ARC fields were dieing every ARC round needed propping up by State level competitors ( and still do ) but lots of State competitors didn't see the need for suits etc so this was seen as a stumbling block ( they wouldn't present the right " image" )although why the phark that should have posed a problem I'll never know looking at the way non arc competitors are totally ignored. solution mandate suits etc at state level..... ooops no sorry its all about safety !!!

Ric,

You nasty conspiracy theorist! Where would you get such a notion? I haven't laughed so hard in ages, love your work.

I'd type more but I just sprayed drink on the screen and keyboard.

GOLD.

[Ausrally]

The rules of safety across all levels of rallying need a complete review IMHO.

If Trevor Stilling can turn up to do the Appliance rally in ordinary clothes and then go and enter an ARC and need full driving apparel, then we have it all wrong. I am not saying either one is right.

God forbid if he has a prang and is trapped in his car in the rally without the suit. He may fry and the last time I checked when a car is on fire it does not check to see what event the crew was in first to determine if they are deserving of being barbequed!

I reckon this ought to flow across all parts of rallying. We are either safety aware and have the right gear fpor all cars and crews for all events or we don't and frankly the level of the event or the series you enter is irrelevant.

Accidents dont differentiate and neither does the Coroner.

[Marcus]

The only reason he should not be able to get of a car is if it's this monumental wreckage or he's out cold. And with literally minutes from any form of help he'll be ****ed with or without a suit.

The last person to die in a fireball was in a Group B car who's primary safety was utter crap.

Dallas, we are all safety aware, which is why we build cars to allow us to get out after a big one. We spend plenty on cages and harness. A proper cage is a big expense. We have great primary safety now and if that fails..... you are a-grade ****ed nude or in the latest or greatest suit. The safety argument does not and can not hold up.

Lets actually concentrate on stuff to help you actually get out of a car before wasting time with something that clearly just is not needed at even ARC.

[Factor]

Oh dear - here we go again how many times have we had this debate. I'm too lazy to search - I am sure someone will.

Originally Posted by Ausrally

God forbid if he has a prang and is trapped in his car in the rally without the suit. He may fry and the last time I checked when a car is on fire it does not check to see what event the crew was in first to determine if they are deserving of being barbequed!

And the suit doesnt keep you alive - it simply delays the inevitable - in short it gives you a few seconds to get out or to get the fire crew trackside to get you out - cept of course we don't have them in rallying.

Accidents dont differentiate and neither does the Coroner.

Actually the coroner does. Been there done that in the coroners court at least 100 times.

You logic would suggest we should all wear F!/WRC level gear even at a motorkhana.

God I am tired of this stuff

[smee]

Originally Posted by daewoo

and they weren't burned to a crisp... How the hell did they survive???

I remember being at a finish control at the top of wombat. A crew finished the stage and got out to have a drink.
Both the nav and co-driver were dressed in tank top, short shorts (hi Umbi) and redback boots.
They were in a ratty 1600, and finished the event. I think it got cold, cause the next time Isaw them they had flannel shirts on over their singlets. Perfect 2 layer suit.......

[Factor]

Actually - Umbies short shorts are a bloody good reason to make suits mandatory

[fro]

We need to do whatever is required to get dudes like Umby competing again. Even if it means seeing him in tighter-than-skin-tight footy shorts.

Of course, if Umby was available, he would be just the person to tell people about the "Pointless Rules and BS". He could give a very concise summation of the situation.

[legend]

Scoop. I just received this draft of the front cover from the 2011 cams manual.

[Spac]

Originally Posted by Factor

Actually - Umbies short shorts are a bloody good reason to make suits mandatory

Quoted for truth.

Although Fro's post is spot-on.

[CMD]

Originally Posted by fro

We need to do whatever is required to get dudes like Umby competing again. Even if it means seeing him in tighter-than-skin-tight footy shorts.

Although he has an almost ready to rally car, I can tell you that we'll never see Umby in a rally that requires him to wear a suit.

[Ausrally]

Originally Posted by Ausrally

. I am not saying either one is right.

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I am quoting myself here for clarity. All I think we should strive for is consistency and have a re look at the risk. And if the risk is deemed OK , then wear whatever but do it across all levels of the sport.

After all if you go out in a boat, you need a lifejacket regardless if its a tinny or an ocean liner.

We need rules that are consistent and that's what we don't have now.

[Factor]

Originally Posted by Ausrally

After all if you go out in a boat, you need a lifejacket regardless if its a tinny or an ocean liner. .

You may take it - but you dont wear it in my boat unless you choose too, where as in a tinny you must wear it when you are beyond partially smooth waters.

So thats that analogy dispensed with.