Whats going on - Brindabella Motor Sport Club

zetor5 · 21-03-2010, 08:23 PM

I was at a sprint held up in gatton today it was agood sprint but there were 2 guys there wit rage cars that set the fastest lap time and actually broke a record but they were not awarded any such result because there cars were not recognised even doh therew ere no more out of the ordinary than most of the cars there their cars were purposley built for racing same as most of the cars there and surely when they were allowed to race and were awarded the class position why not be allowed fastest time and new lap record in my opion this is very unfair and very bad sports man ship

scully · 21-03-2010, 10:18 PM

I've found the following useful at times -

. , ? ! @ # $ % ^ & * ( ) \

MissJess · 22-03-2010, 08:19 AM

This site may give you some assistance in the usage of the above.

The BebWeb - Learning Resources for All - Punctuation Pyramid and Connectives Pyramid

Spac · 22-03-2010, 08:43 AM

x2.

But back to the topic at hand...
I suspect that you'll find there's something in the regs to exclude/limit the eligible cars - and presumably the Rages are outside those regs.

Think of it another way:
Imagine you organise an athletics carnival for kids under 12 - and then Yusain Bolt turns up.
Obviously he's going to win, so if you let him run with the kids, you've ruined the whole purpose of your event.
Alternatively, you let him run (because you know it will be good for the event), but you don't lose sight of the fact that the event is for the kids - so you don't award him the trophies at the end.

While there's little doubt that we're insanely over-regulated by CAMS, the sport part of motorsport is often overlooked. Every sport has regulations on the performance of the equipment, and there's no reason for motorsport to be different.

zetor5 · 22-03-2010, 09:45 PM

Ha fairly typical all some of ye can do is comment on my typing fairly sad. Now there's a full stop and a comma for ye. I see your point but comparing those 2 cars to a pro racing against kids is not a very good example like i said there was noting that special about those cars compared to most cars there and if they were good enough to get a trophie for class they should of been given the fastest lap or at very least the chance to run in the top 10 fastest at the end of the day. If they were eligable to race by cams they would be eligable for that not trying to start an argument just thought it was unfair

Matt · 22-03-2010, 09:51 PM

It could have been something subtle on the cars that made them ineligible? Or perhaps it was driver grade thing? The thing is, they would have been aware when they went for their first run that they weren't eligible for points/trophies/whatever.

I know it seems unfair, but sometimes, thems the breaks.

Spac · 22-03-2010, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zetor5

I see your point but comparing those 2 cars to a pro racing against kids is not a very good example like i said there was noting that special about those cars compared to most cars there and if they were good enough to get a trophie for class they should of been given the fastest lap or at very least the chance to run in the top 10 fastest at the end of the day. If they were eligable to race by cams they would be eligable for that not trying to start an argument just thought it was unfair

1. My example was obviously exagerrated to make it clear.

2. They are obviously something special, if they reset the record.

3. Its entirely possible that they meet CAMS' regs, but not the event's regs.

Did you speak to the drivers of the cars? Did they know why they were excluded from the outright results?

One of the things rallying has done very poorly for a long time, is recognise anyone other than the fastest crews. This attitude is damaging at state and national level, but is outright vandalism at clubman level - when the fastest clubman at a clubman event is ignored, then We Have A Problem.
It really seems to me that the organisers of the Gatton Sprints have kept focus on who they ran the event for, and (if my assumptions are correct) they deserve to be applauded for this.

beanpole · 23-03-2010, 12:37 AM

Ummmmm........ what is a Rage car?

Kev

fro · 23-03-2010, 12:48 AM

You know, Rage, in a cage, on a stage?

I actually think it might have something to do with these dudes?
Welcome to RAGE

Ian Bigg · 23-03-2010, 01:15 AM

Or it could be

YouTube- Rage Buggy Gatton Sprint 1

... mmmm not quite a production car ...

Matt · 23-03-2010, 01:27 AM

From the Gatton Street Sprint page on the Australian All Rally Group website:

Quote:

Originally Posted by AARG Website

Each year the Gatton Street Sprints attracts an amazing aray of modern and historic vehicles. It is open to most cars, of every shape and form you could imagine, except vehicles classified as "racing cars" in the CAMS manual.

Could be the reason?

scooter · 23-03-2010, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fro

I actually think it might have something to do with these dudes?
Welcome to RAGE

No. The buggies are from the UK. Your link is to what used to be Gardner Engineering on the Gold Coast. I've got a set of custom made axles and a couple of shortened input shafts made by them. Absolute top notch work. I think they changed their name for marketing into motorsport markets with a certain demographic.

zetor5 · 23-03-2010, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian Bigg

Or it could be YouTube- Rage Buggy Gatton Sprint 1 ... mmmm not quite a production car ...

No not a production car never said it was thats my point alot of the cars there weren't

zetor5 · 23-03-2010, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spac

1. My example was obviously exagerrated to make it clear.

2. They are obviously something special, if they reset the record.

3. Its entirely possible that they meet CAMS' regs, but not the event's regs.

Did you speak to the drivers of the cars? Did they know why they were excluded from the outright results?

One of the things rallying has done very poorly for a long time, is recognise anyone other than the fastest crews. This attitude is damaging at state and national level, but is outright vandalism at clubman level - when the fastest clubman at a clubman event is ignored, then We Have A Problem.
It really seems to me that the organisers of the Gatton Sprints have kept focus on who they ran the event for, and (if my assumptions are correct) they deserve to be applauded for this.

No wasnt talking to them saw them go up for the trophies and was amazed they didnt get the 1 for fastest time. Yes they should be applauded for all the work they done it was a vary good event but i honestly think if they were fastest they should of been given that award it would be different if it was run for production cars but it wasnt therewere alot of purposley built cars there

Spac · 23-03-2010, 10:27 PM

The Supp Regs are not explicit, but it does seem clear that my assumption is right: The event was intended to cater for production based cars, and that the buggies were outside that. Remember that the event was run by the All Australian Rally Group, and that rallying (esp not tarmac rallying) is not about off-road buggies...

If we wanted to go with a 'glass half full' approach, we could even say that the guys with the buggies were lucky to be given a run, particularly when the Supp Regs say things like "Note: Entries will be accepted at the discretion of the organisers", and talk a lot about rego and permits....

http://aarg.org.au/regs/2010_gatton_regs.pdf