Draft Bay Stages Seeded Entry List

[Ian Bigg]

OK Folks,

Here is a DRAFT Seeded Entry List for Bay Stages ... thanks to those of you who have entered and thanks to all those coming to help out as officials etc ...

Discuss the list - reasonable arguments for changes supported by FACTS will be considered - but may or may not be implemented in the final list which goes to CAMS on Monday morning.

Ian

Seeding Driver Co-Driver Make Model Class Event
1 Tony Sulllens Dale Moscatt Subaru WRX P5 Long
2 John Mitchell Jo Cadman Mitsubishi Lancer Evo III P5 Long
3 Kari Dirickx Tim Batten Mitsubishi Evo III P5 Long
4 Doug Briscoe Philip Morley Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 3 P5 Long
5 John Stilling David Stephens Mitsubishi Evo 6 P5 Long
6 Kelvin Croker TBA Mitsubishi Lancer Evo III P5 Long
7 Peter Roberts Jack Terp Mitsubishi Lancer Evo III Long
8 Gavin Croker Eric Croker Mitsubishi Evo III P5 Long
9 Mitch Heffernan Bernie Webb Subaru WRX Sti P5 Long
10 David King Gavin Hermann Datsun 200B P4 Long
11 Chris Judson TBA Subaru WRX Long
12 Garry Yeomans Kam Baker Mitsubishi Lancer Evo I N4 Long
13 Bradley Fitzgerald Justin Mitchell Datsun P510 P3 Long
14 Steve Slade Con Constantine Toyota Celica GT4 P6 Long
15 Brett Wright Robert Edwards Datsun 180B P3 Short
16 Kirk Marks Michael Rourke Subaru WRX RA N4 Long
17 Jon Waterhouse Andrew Crawford Mazda Rx-7 P4 Long
18 Shawn Urqhart TBA Fiat 131 Abarth Classic Long
19 Graham Thompson TBA Mitsubishi VR4 P6 Short
20 Frank Barker Brian McLean Mitsubishi Galant VR4 P6 Long
21 Robert Inall Brad Grant Holden VK Commodore P4 Long
22 Simon Gibbons Michael Heslewood Mitsubishi VR4 Long
23 Mal Hurley Bernie Hurley Subaru WRX N4 Short
24 Michael Barret Thomas Barret Mitsubishi Evo III P5 Short
25 Kevin Gavin John Doble Holden Commodore P4 Long
26 Dean Penhorwood Nigel Walters Subaru WRX Long
27 Wayne Elven TBA Holden VK Commodore TBA
28 Russel Winks Matthew Harriott Holden Commodore P4 Short
29 Clinton Croker Clyde Green Datsun 180B P3 Long
30 Emanuele Mazzei Graham Ellul Mitsubishi Galant VR4 P6 Short
31 John McInnes Peter White Subaru Impreza RA P5 Long
32 Richard Leitis Rob Mule Ford Escort P3 Short
33 Marco Werner Lucia Werner Datsun 1600 P4 Short
34 Carl Stewart Matthew James Datsun 1600 P3 Short
35 Paul Batten John Anderson Holden Gemini P2 Long
36 Nathan Senior Aaron Tams Mazda Rx-7 P4 Long
37 Stephen Mee Fiona McCubbin-Mee Mazda Familia BGB P6 Short
38 Bob Blandford Jack Brownlow Rover SD1 P4 Long
39 Geoff Stewart Lizzy Ferme Toyota Celica P3 Short
40 Brett Walther Russell Hannah Daihatsu Charade P2 Short
41 Gerald Scholfield John Moore Ford Escort RS Classic Short
42 John Murray Jeff Stevens Holden Commodore VR P4 Long
43 Scott Harbers Steve Whitton Toyota Corolla P3 Short
44 Warren Roach Kylie Inskip Toyota Celica GT4 P6 Short
45 Gwyn Mulholland Scott Sims Mazda 323 P1 Long
46 Andrew Penny Rhys Llewellyn Daihatsu Charade P1 Short
47 Russel Battison Andrew Buerckner Chrysler Lancer P2 Short
48 Bede Austin Andrew Crowley Datsun 180B P3 Long
49 John Gibson Ben Gibson Mazda Familia P6 Short
50 Glenn Farrant Byron Langslow Suzuki Swift GTI P1 Short
51 David Feruglio Michael Feruglio Datsun 240Z P4 Short
52 Paul Beaston Craig Beaston Ford Escort P4 Short
53 David Thompson Bob Selby-Wood Subaru WRX Sti N4
54 Richard Houghton Mattew Sosimenko Subaru Impreza WRX Sti N4 Long
55 Sophia Moody Thomas Lunney Datsun 1600 P3 Short
56 Bruce Hancock Paul Fletcher Toyota Celica GT4 P6 Long
57 Tim McGahey William Henshaw Datsun P510 1600 P3 Short
58 Dennis Stanford Ross Moore Datsun Stanza P3 Short
59 Greg Munn Kim Affleck Ford Escort P1 Long
60 John Kypreos Nick Forester Toyota Corolla RV Seca P3 Long
61 Peter Jerie TBA Datsun 1200 P1 TBA
62 Marc Pilkington Dougal Wilson Toyota Celica GT4 P6 Short
63 Tony Maxwell Anna Ritson Chrysler Lancer P2 Short
64 David Boyd Sam McMahon Mazda Rx-3 P4 Short
65 Jason McInerny John Clark Datsun 180B P3 Short
66 Paul Newman Stuart Smy Mitsubishi VR4 Short
67 Sean Casey Steve Caruana Mitsubishi Lancer P2 Short
68 Colwyn Saunders Andrea Hopkinson Toyota Corolla P1 Short

[Daveee]

Ian,

David Boyd here (64). I think I am seeded a bit low. Hope these are reasonable arguments.

These cars seeded in front of me, I finished in front of at Oberon (and by how much).

46 Andrew Penny - 40 secs
55 Sophia Moody - 6 mins 20 secs
57 Tim McGahey - 6 mins
59 Greg Munn - 2 mins 20 secs
63 Tony Maxwell - 9 mins

Over the last 3 stages at Oberon we were the speed of the Feruglios (51).

At the Dell, going off our stage times, we were about the speed of Bede Austin (48 ).

Cheers,
Dave

[Bogan]

61 Peter Jerie TBA I beat this guy at Bega on all 8 stages and he was seeded behind me there.
62 Marc Pilkington Dougal Wilson Is this a bit low? They were at Narooma, had a look at those results? Not that we'd mind hanging out with them all day .
63 Tony Maxwell Anna Ritson Chrysler Lancer
64 David Boyd Sam McMahon I don't care how far in front of us they are seeded as long as they're not behind us anywhere. They spanked us at Oberon and the stages we both did at Dell. I don't want to have to book in late to let them past .

T.

[Jme]

No offence.... but that top ten or 12 is a shocker IMO.

Form would suggest....
1 Sullens
2 Roberts
3 Mitchell
4 Croker1
5 Croker2

.... the winner will come from these. Everyone else if very long odds. Then....

6 Heffernen
7 King (he's got the runs on the board against Kari and JS and is very much in the series for outright)
8 Kari (ACT)
9 Stilling (ACT)
10 Yeomans
11 Briscoe
12 Judson

Davee Boyd should be in the 40's.

Other than that it looks OK.

[grahamthompson]

And moving a little further down, based on the four daylight Bega forestry stages (similar to the Bay?) Leitis/ Mules (currently 32) merits starting mid teens. They edged Waterhouse by 6 seconds over those stages, me by 24, Fitzgerald by 47, Marks by 53 and Slade by 2:11. As Bega was JW's first run in the new RX7, I suggest he is worthy of seed 13 then Leitis at 14. Barretts very nice Evo 3 (ex Paul Bray) will also be quick and could probably be brought up behind Kirk Marks. Personally I am happy anywhere in that group.

[Ian Bigg]

Jme and all others

No offence will be taken at any reasonable posts or suggestions ... and I am very pleased to see people supporting suggestions with reasons / facts.

I will continue to watch and read with interest as anumber of good points have been raised already ..

Ian

[msgofast]

Originally Posted by Jme

No offence.... but that top ten or 12 is a shocker IMO.

Form would suggest....
1 Sullens
2 Roberts
3 Mitchell
4 Croker1
5 Croker2

.... the winner will come from these. Everyone else if very long odds. Then....

6 Heffernen
7 King (he's got the runs on the board against Kari and JS and is very much in the series for outright)
8 Kari (ACT)
9 Stilling (ACT)
10 Yeomans
11 Briscoe
12 Judson

Davee Boyd should be in the 40's.

Other than that it looks OK.

you are on the money with that order!!!

[Jme]

I'd be moving Barrett to 17 and Gavin to 14. The Barretts are a wildcard, but could be Top Ten prospects. Kev Gavin is a fast punter and Commodores are suited to the Bay roads.... he is the only one who has shown any form to suggest they could take on Dave King in the 2wd's IMO. (besides Southy who's missing)

I'd throw Letius up behind Urqhuart. He's due for a decent seed..... and definately has the talent/form to match it with the guys seeded 10 or more cars above him at present. He tends to finish as well, so is in line for class/top 3 2WD awards.

[Simon Gibbons]

Car 22 behind Rob Inall is OK by me. Rob is quick and will be a good pacemaker. Not sure about the Fiat at 18 though. With GT a couple of cars ahead, there should be plenty of time to talk VR4 stuff!! Everyone should remember seeding is about stage times relative to each other, not where we finish.

Simon Gibbons

[Spac]

I'm happy enough with y seeding and those around me, with one exception: Carl Stewart.
I know he finished equal with me at Bega, but I didn't stop mid stage to put a coil lead back on, and then drive the rest of the shire stages with a dead coil...
If you look at his forest stage times (when his car was running right), then I'd reckon he should be somewhere in the mid 20s.

Not trying to give anyone (or this list) any shet, but it seems some people regularly get 'magic' seedings, despite their results...

[Factor]

First of all I'm happy enough, and whilst I havent spoken to JW Im sure he will be as well.

Part of the issue here though is the mixing of short and long event people. The Qld process for example has the long event people starting first - then a 4 - 6 minute gap then the short event people. Seems to work very well, keeps the field safe still and helps finish the rally earlier.

ANyway see you all there.

[Lucky67]

Well, Ian has re-consulted the rally tea leaves, looked skyward for inspiration, listened to your educated input to tried and satisfy all the requirements of the speed and the short and long events.

He has made a few changes to the seeded list and CAMS have approved it just now.

I am about to send it to KW so it can be placed in a proper place on BMSC.

FYI, The Bay and surrounds have had about 12 mm of rain over the last 7 days

See you all there.

Wayne Luxford
Event Secretary

[shawnurquhart]

Originally Posted by Simon Gibbons

Car 22 behind Rob Inall is OK by me. Rob is quick and will be a good pacemaker. Not sure about the Fiat at 18 though. With GT a couple of cars ahead, there should be plenty of time to talk VR4 stuff!! Everyone should remember seeding is about stage times relative to each other, not where we finish.

Simon Gibbons

Well you just said it Simon. Nothing worse than trying to have a go in someone elses dust. Remeber the seeding list is more about safety. The Fiat had some engine issues in the QLD ARC round but once that was fixed 2 stages back to back inside the top 20 and we were winding down for the day.

You should book your spectators seat for the Premiere State Rally and see how fast this thing really goes. It's all about entertainment too but you might have to wait around until the entertainment arrives at the back of the ARC pack. There's a better engine and independant rear coming for Rally Melbourne. That should be a interesting indeed.

Rgds
Shawn Urquhart

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