Rally Bathurst invites clubman competitors

[Bogan]

Originally Posted by Ric Cary

Glad to see you're as clever as you al(l)ways have been.

That's what I'm here for, I can't drive and am not much good for anything else, everyone knows that .

T.

[Ric Cary]

Originally Posted by Bogan

That's what I'm here for, I can't drive and am not much good for anything else, everyone knows that .

T.

Probably not everybody yet but keep it up, most have worked it out so far

[Tweety]

Originally Posted by Ric Cary

Glad to see your as clever as you allways have been

So, so tempting for someone as pathetic as me .

But no. There's enough **** stirring going on ATM already .

[Eco-velocity therapy]

Originally Posted by Ric Cary

Long w/end in October 40 some V8 supercars at Bathurst with say 500ltrs of fuel each in their overhead fuel gantries in the pits " no problem"

In the spirt of other responses I can add....


There is truely close to 0% risk of fire on the long w/end in October with 40 V8 supercars at Bathurst with say 500ltrs of fuel each in their overhead fuel gantries in the pits "

The following weekend, when the race is on, there is some chance of fire.

[Ric Cary]

Originally Posted by Eco-velocity therapy

In the spirt of other responses I can add....


There is truely close to 0% risk of fire on the long w/end in October with 40 V8 supercars at Bathurst with say 500ltrs of fuel each in their overhead fuel gantries in the pits "

The following weekend, when the race is on, there is some chance of fire.

[Jme]

You know.... this is all good- don't get me wrong, but I've got a long memory.

When the ARC was first taken away from Coffs Harbour (2002??) and brought south it coincided (sp?) with the change of Regulation to a GpN championship.

This was all good..... ARCom was getting rid of WRC cars that privateers couldn't buy or afford, and they were working towards getting a series sponsor to help lower entry fees (which were seen to be the privateers greatest hurdle to entering the ARC)

Entry fees were around the $1100 mark from memory and they got about 40 entries and had to extend them to try to get a larger field. The end result was encouraging I guess.... 3 privateers in the top 5 of that event.

Move forward 3 years.... we have a series sponsor coupled with many associated sponsors like Elf etc all supposedly assisting us to rally, yet entry fees to the ARC are considerably higher than they were. It's approx 2k for Gee and I to register for the ARC and run the main event....(thats just entry/rego) only to get smashed by whoever is on WRC Spec tyres which we can't buy no matter how hard we try... and that's just to run top ten/fifteen with Globalstar and Elf all over our car (what do they give us??)..... and if we were really serious about winning the privateers championship next year we would need a 05/06 spec TopRun/Prodrive $250,000 machine- plus a heap of spare cash.... take 6 weeks off work each and employ a full-time mechanic or two.

Oh... and for all this FIA crap we've been saddled with- it looks like we've lost the WRC round as well (????)

Yeah... $500 bucks entry is great. We'll take it. It's about the only bloody thing that makes sense.

Oh... and I'm wearing a pair of old Jeans with the arse hanging out of them and my CSU Mitchell Rugby jersey.... just because I can!!!

[AussieNav]

Jaimie, just to get you even more worked up!!
You don't have to buy a prodrive car for $250k, you can have our car that is leading the series for $130k.

You want savings, there you go $120k off your budget already. Infact buy Deanos car, BOOM, another 10k saved just like that.

You have to get over it Jaimie, the GARC is the pinnacle of Australian rallying and that is why it is called the National Championship. Ok it is not a poor mans sport anymore (maybe not even at state level) but go out and try to win a round of the Drag Nationals against Benny Bray, or give Marcus and Stone Bros a run for there money and see how far your dollar goes there!!!!!!!

[Jme]

So what are you saying Dale?.... besides that I have to take my pills and motorsport is expensive. Here's another trophy- you're a genius!!!

Heard your response before... Pinnacle, TV, Sponsors blah blah blah.

You sound like ARCom.... isn't that the standard line whenever someone brings up cost reduction.

So... lets talk about money, lowering the cost, and fostering the sport through ALL levels... up to and including ARC level. Isn't cost a huge factor... isn't it THE factor. The fact a $500 entry fee has sprung up to attract entries sure as hell suggests it is....

That's what I'm about mate... things SHOULD be cheaper, and better, easier. Always have been. I'm not gunna get over the fact that our sports administration isn't about this, they are too busy catering for TV and Factory cars to notice that most of the sport has lost interest in the ARC.

If anyone is in a position to promote a "better way" then it's you mate. What ya gunna do??? How about championing the cause for the Privateers to get a better deal?? I'd definately appreciate it- and I'm sure others would as well. Or is everything OK in your opinion?

You don't need to respond.... just a thought I had..... before I got over the fact ARCom has bent us over and shafted us.

Your a smart bloke Dale, and I know your one of the most passionate rally people out there- and that goes much of the way to your success.

Anyway, I'm over it now- I don't wanna flog this horse again...... I'm never gunna get my arse in a factory car because of my mouth and opinions and the privateers is out of reach financially..... so I'm just left to sledge from the sidelines I guess.

Guys like yourself just need to cut me a bit of slack..... I'm gunna erupt every month or so- that's what I do...I enjoy it, it's my second favourite thing in rallying behind stirring up JS. (bastard keeps beating me still... )

[Bogan]

All I know is things like this and the starters Rally are a step in the right direction, you don't think these are market testers? If we get no interested entries then people will think there is no interest, get your mates to come and do the Bathurst Clubbie thing (I'll be there) to show whoever's asking or looking that people love cheap events and want to do more of them.

I'm never going to do the ARC unless someone is brave or stupid enough to let me drive their EVOREX and I show a whole heap of talent, how much money I do or don't have won't really make any difference other than I can't afford to buy my way into a drive.

I think I've lost my point a little but my opinion still stands, if these cheap good events are offered and no one enters they'll stop being offered. That's one of the reasons we entered as Classic at RoC this year, it won't take too many years of not having any classics entered before they withdraw the invitation, and we want competitor numbers to be going up, not being limited by any factor (within reason).
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We can't make ARC entry fees $200 overnight but we can take advantage of the cheap events while they're around.

to whoever thought of it.

T.

[bob moore]

Originally Posted by AussieNav

You have to get over it Jaimie, the GARC is the pinnacle of Australian rallying

What are you smoking?



The Alpine is the pinnacle of Australian rallying!


The GARC is merely some multi-state rallysprint series!

[Bogan]

Originally Posted by bob moore

What are you smoking?



The Alpine is the pinnacle of Australian rallying!


The GARC is merely some multi-state rallysprint series!

Tony.

[Spac]

If it's OK for the ARC to be ridiculously expensive, "because it's the pinnacle of the sport in Australia", then why were WRCars banned?

If the ARC isn't overly expensive (for the vast majority of punters), then why the need for "initatives" like the $500 add-on to the NSW ARC round?

And as an aside, I'm pretty sure the Bathurst ARC "clubman" rally is the product of the organisers of that rally alone, with little/no influence from ARCom.

[Mike Cherry]

Originally Posted by Spac

If it's OK for the ARC to be ridiculously expensive, "because it's the pinnacle of the sport in Australia", then why were WRCars banned?

If the ARC isn't overly expensive (for the vast majority of punters), then why the need for "initatives" like the $500 add-on to the NSW ARC round?

And as an aside, I'm pretty sure the Bathurst ARC "clubman" rally is the product of the organisers of that rally alone, with little/no influence from ARCom.

Thats correct, but I'll bet it catches on!

[gav]

That AussieNav bloke sounds like a tool

[Mike Cherry]

Once upon a time, the average bloke could have a crack at the big time with his home grown weapon ( no, not that weapon ).
The Southern Cross, the Don Capasco/Castrol, the Dunlop 2GO were all great events that anyone could go to, and they did, and they had a great time, and these blokes were the backbone of our great sport.
Now maybe the opportunity has returned,
If we support it, it will be there in the future.