Possible new event

[fro]

As Mark asked, some direct replies to Spac's questions...

Originally posted by Spac
Possible event.

I want to know:

A) Is location important? I’d love Bluetts, but there are issues with access. Something based Uriarra way, on the other hand… Any favourites? And, most importantly, would the area make the difference between you entering or not?

Uriarra is good. Centralized servicing is important, so a location that allows that would be good. But it wouldn't change whether I'd enter or not, just a nice to have.

Originally posted by Spac

B) We can see a couple of formats – first is a “typical” rally, where every bit of road gets used once only, the second is to use one ~20km bit of road four times – and reverse the direction every time to minimise people’s ability to learn the roads. Suggestions?

Reversing directions is good in theory, but after looking seriously at doing it, is a lot more difficult than it first appears. I wouldn't mind seeing 2 runs of 2 stages (East West, Uriarra, Service, East West, Uriarra, Pub). Or something like that. Or slight variations...first time through Uriarra uses Sinclairs, second doesn't...I dunno. Sumfin'

Originally posted by Spac

C) Are prizes important?

Just trophies...no cash. Does anyone actually compete for cash anyway?

Originally posted by Spac

D) If the road book was emailed out the day before the event (saving printing costs), would anyone be interested in taking up that option?

Yeah, but you still need to offer the option of buying the book, like you said. For those of us who aren't au fait with the web...

Originally posted by Spac

E) Do the number of competitors in the event worry the competitors? ...would competitors have an issue if it was run for (say) 50 cars?

Whatever. Wouldn't mind seeign the people that are always up the back copping the rutted roads running first, just to see what it's like to run on a road that hasn't been seen by 80 other cars beforehand...

Originally posted by Spac

F) ANYTHING else you wish to add.

Top work. I wouldn't want to see it as part of a formal series, but that's prolly just me. No real reason, just would prefer to see some stand alone events, and enjoy an event that didn't dramatically affect your chances at some greater aim...

You could prolly save yourself a lot of work by grabbing the information/templates and stuff off those that have already done this sort of thing (Adrian/Fiona McM/ Tortfeaser/Matt Dyne)... and they all offer their advice pretty freely...all you need to do is ask.

[Matt Dyne]

Mad dog.

Let me preface my comments with at $195 for the DELL, we are unlikely to break even. It's most likely that we will come in at a loss.

When you consider that all we are paying is the CAMS fees and Forestry fees (we have a sponsor who is paying for door plates, a supply of stationary for all the necessary paperwork (currently 3 reams)etc) and for some safety radio people, I struggle to see how you would get it much lower. Remember the Dell is Closed to Club which is the cheapest fee and that's just gone up to about $38 per car.

It's naive to think that you can do a rally for much less than $150. A safe, well run rally that is.

And as to Bluetts, I suggest you speak to as many people as possible because 99% of the rallying community will give you the same answer...forget it !

[Rallyboy]

Yeah - what Fro said.

Especially the bit about REVERSE RUNNING ORDER - I know it doesn't necessarily work if you've got WRC type cars chasing down 1200's, but in the type of event being proposed I think it would work well.

Location, location, schmocation - most Canberra roads are good - just pick some that work well with the "central service" theorem.

I like the electronic road book idea (can we walk the course ??? )
but I don't know much about binding - my local printer does it for a small fee.

I also think the Rally Organisers Manual is one of the best ideas to come from this forum. If it were as simple as doing what the folder says, I'd consider running an event myself.

So yeah, lets Rally!!!!!!!!!!

[Mike Morris]

[quote]Originally posted by Rallyboy
[B]Yeah - what Fro said.

Especially the bit about REVERSE RUNNING ORDER - I know it doesn't necessarily work if you've got WRC type cars chasing down 1200's, but in the type of event being proposed I think it would work well.

This is the second time I've seen talk about reverse running orders and its a crock of **** promoted by slomos or newbies.

Have a think about it..........Car1 slomo has 30 mins of probs and drops back through the field to start in front of a heaps faster crew. Thats not real fair is it?

Whereas in normal seeded events the fast crews who drop back in front of slower crews which is just how it should stay.

Cheers

[fro]

Naahh, I'd just like to see people trying to convince event directors that they're slower than all these other guys, so should start in front...

And there's a whole heap of people that are never gonna see a road that hasn't had heaps of cars over it before...so why not give them a shot at it in an event that isn't counting toward a series, and there's not as much pressure....

You could have a regroup at first service and change the field back to normal order after that. If you can do it for international events, why not here. Doesn't cost you anything, and gives everyone a new experience...

So I'm a shlomo and a newbie...what do I care...Spac asked for opinions, I'll give him mine, you give him yours, and all is good with the world.

[Swill]

This is the second time I've seen talk about reverse running orders and its a crock of **** promoted by slomos or newbies.

I fully agree reverse order is a total waste of time and dangerous for the fast punters. I remember a couple of years back when the LCCC did a "draw out of the hat" seeding idea for a small local rally, it wasnt very pretty. Theres way to much bull**** now to with seedings for any given rally, let alone in reverse order...

[Daniel]

Originally posted by fro
I wouldn't want to see it as part of a formal series, but that's prolly just me. No real reason, just would prefer to see some stand alone events, and enjoy an event that didn't dramatically affect your chances at some greater aim....

Fro - I fail to see why, I run on a really tight budget same as most, if I have to chose between an event that counts for a series I'm entered in and one that doesn't, which one is likely to get the nod? The Dell is great don't get me wrong, its great for people that arn't in a series or are new to the sport - but if there was a ACT series event within a few weeks of it how many entrys would drop out? My guess is lots And Spac's event would be the same. I like the idea of variety in a series and a "Spac" event could provide that, it would give the lower down guys a chance at points in a series. This is the same reason why I'm planning an event that will favour people with a good ability to judge changing road conditions and a strong car.

[MadDog]

Matt,

I wasn't having a go, I was just pointing out that the 2 wheel events, which don't have anything to do with CAMS are seeming very cheap in comparison to a CAMS 4 wheel event of the same nature.

[fro]

Originally posted by Daniel

Fro - I fail to see why, I run on a really tight budget same as most, if I have to chose between an event that counts for a series I'm entered in and one that doesn't, which one is likely to get the nod?

Budget...I don't even have a budget. I've only got 1/2 a car...

Seriously, I said that I'd prolly be in the minority, and lo and behold, I am. *Shock, surprise*. Series are great for those that believe in them, but I don't. Well, not yet anyway. Spac asked a direct question, I gave him a direct answer. Want something different...well say so. Don't start having a go at me 'cause my opinion is different to yours. If I'm in the minority, then I'm sure that Spac will run it as a series event. And I'm pretty sure that I'll be in the minority.

Originally posted by Daniel
This is the same reason why I'm planning an event that will favour people with a good ability to judge changing road conditions and a strong car.

Hmmm, I think I know which event I'll be officiating at next year already...What was that about tight budgets? Oh, but not for fixing broken parts, that's different....

[Daniel]

Who was having a go? not me, I was curious. Still am as a mater of fact - why don't you belive in series? (being on the commitee and all )


As for breaking stuff - If people think they are going to break stuff they need to slow down - there is plenty of cars that get beaten on fast roads but would do far better in events where the roads get a little more challenging. (and no the whole event isn't going to be run on goat tracks - just roads that are harder to read and I'm going to try and mix up road surfaces and road speed. [there may be a few goat tracks though just to upset Spac ] )

Basicaly I'm going to go for a Safari type feel of event.



Oh by the way I'm picking Richard Leitis to win the Dell!!

[Matt Dyne]

Originally posted by Daniel

Oh by the way I'm picking Richard Leitis to win the Dell!!

I'd like to see that !!! Have you seen the entry list yet ?

[Daniel]

Nope - gut feeling He has the 'New and Improved' Escort up and going..........

[jem]

Spac,

I've never run a rally on canberra roads (or anywhere else besides 16km worth of bega), so I can suggest a canberra road that I would like to do. I'm willing to do any of them.

And Bluett's is not an entirely impossible track to run either. I think I work with the lady that owns that land, and she's always telling me that the people organising the rallies never keep her informed of what they are doing and don't take responsibility when things go wrong. She has told me many times that if people want to run bluetts, all they have to do is ask and make sure she knows what's happening and when. As long as it doesn't put her out too much, she'll be happy to play the game. Just don't have choppers chasing horses again. She's still pissed about that.

If it's only a very short rally and the roads won't be needed for too long (ie not the whole weekend), you probably have a better chance at using it.

As for a series, if there are 4 of these events, why not have all 4 as a series? I'm sure there could be something worked out to help the people who have a tight budget and can't run them all. Maybe taking an average of the results you get for only the races you start? Might need a bit more work than that, but it's only a suggestion.

It's going to be a long time before I get any prize money out of rallying, so I'm quite happy to race without prize money. Trophies are enough.

[Mark]

Daniel,

Ben Wilson told me it is only running a stock bottom end and pulled 90hp on the dyno a few days ago. Reckon that the Barrett-mobile, or Geoff Stewart if entered, must be in the running 1st 2WD after any 4WD entered....

Mark

[Daniel]

Ben mixed up Hp and Kw and remember stock for Ben and Rob isn't stock in the normal sence of the word - Ben probably means it isn't running Cosworth rods and VW pistons Rob said its got about 10 less Hp then his old motor but heaps more torque


I think he'll win - but I'll buy you a beer if he doesn't finish in the top 5