Proposed BMSC Event 05/08/2006 (was: AWOL Ex Clubman South Competitors)

[tortfeaser]

The BMSC has a round of the Clubman series on 5 August (date change from 22 July isn't confirmed but likely) - I'm hoping there's a bit more interest in the series to gather some entries for that event.

I reckon clubman has been damaged a fair bit by the last couple of years' stuffing around. Lets hope this year's changes improve the series this year, but in reality I think it will be a slow rebuilding.

(BTW, the BMSC round is also a round of the ACT series - I'm thinking that we'll do it in two legs - Friday night, combined with a FNS in Greenhills, then Saturday around Uriarra. ACT series does both legs, Clubman does Sat only.)

[bob moore]

Originally Posted by tortfeaser

I'm thinking that we'll do it in two legs - Friday night, combined with a FNS in Greenhills, then Saturday around Uriarra.

Two legs? As Roy and HG would say, "when too much sport is barely enough!"

Bravo!

[tortfeaser]

Parc ferme overnight for ACT series crews (or others doint he two day event). As for distance - its an ACT series. If you're travelling to do that series then you're going to take Friday off to get to an ACT event anyway, so competition Fri night shouldn't be a problem. People travelled from Sydney for earlier FNS events so there's precedent.

We shouldn't go too hard on the regos for NSW clubman - there's only 17 drivers registered for the ACT series currently. I don't know how many are common to both series, but 34 entries does not an event make.

[Bogan]

Originally Posted by tortfeaser

Parc ferme overnight for ACT series crews (or others doint he two day event).

What for exactly? Why not just let us/them take our/their cars home overnight?

Originally Posted by tortfeaser

If you're travelling to do that series then you're going to take Friday off to get to an ACT event anyway, so competition Fri night shouldn't be a problem.

Taking the Friday off is an assumption and possibly isn't always the case, leaving early and getting into wherever late could be an option for some people, for all I know that's what some people do for Batemans, Ulladulla etc.

Originally Posted by tortfeaser

People travelled from Sydney for earlier FNS events so there's precedent.

This is true, but too early a start could cause problems, particularly if scrutiny is to be held immediately before the event.

Although there's nothing in any competition conditions to say "Don't make people have to take a day off work to compete" we shouldn't always assume that people will.

T.

[tortfeaser]

Parc ferme so you don't cheat and because its an endurance/car prep test not a test of whether you've got a well stocked shed and a bunch of mates to fix your *****ed car overnight.

Originally Posted by Bogan

This is true, but too early a start could cause problems

And the sky could fall on our heads too. Why fuss over something that isn't a drama? Scrutiny will be as per ACT events usually are, ie Wed night at TTS or regional scrutiny.


There's been a bit of a trend lately to find fault with any plan, idea, proposal for no reason other than to find fault. Its not constructive, most of the time there's no real problem. But it forces a reaction made in haste. A bit like the NSW govt really, any issue is blown out of all proportion by some bunch of clowns (newspapers, radio, the opposition) and the govt does something dumber in response. Cf sacking the Enoggera taskforce guy then reinstating him. Just calm the **** down. The world is not about to end because someone has a new idea about an event (which is not a new idea at all, just a rehash of something that used to be very common).

[Kagan]

Taking the Friday off is an assumption and possibly isn't always the case, leaving early and getting into wherever late could be an option for some people, for all I know that's what some people do for Batemans, Ulladulla etc.

This is exactly what we do to avoid taking time off work, having said that I would be to upset about leaving early from work for the occassional event.

[Ben Wilson]

Originally Posted by tortfeaser

Parc ferme so you don't cheat and because its an endurance/car prep test not a test of whether you've got a well stocked shed and a bunch of mates to fix your *****ed car overnight.

I would have thought that most cars which were *****ed enough to need major repairs overnight would have lost so much time during the day they would only be running for fun anyway.

Overnight Parc ferme also brings up the issue and potential cost of security. Surely there must be potential liability/insurance issues involved?

[tortfeaser]

Surely you can't be serious? Surely there's some problem that he hasn't considered that I'll find.
[I'm serious and don't call me surely.]

See, its those sort of comments that I mean. Security isn't a problem that can't be solved easily and the liability question misunderstands tort law and the CAMS insurance. What are you thinking of? Suing the BMSC/CAMS 'cos someone flogged your car? Doesn't seem to be a problem when you park your car at work, does it.

[tortfeaser]

Then there's this whole "we're just running for fun and skidz, why bring down the buzz with this whole rules shiznit?" Happened on Sat a few times. Its a sport. With rules we all play by. Why do we assume that those out for skidz only get to avoid playing by the rules?

[Bogan]

Originally Posted by Ben Wilson

Overnight Parc ferme also brings up the issue and potential cost of security.

Easy fixed, just employ the same measures which were allegedly* so water tight at Sutton Road for RoC last year .

T.

*I heard a second hand story on video tape, and have no first hand knowledge of what sort of security was or wasn't present on the tarmac at Sutton Road.

[rowdytoot]

thread spilt anyone?? torts FNS/ACT round idea from the NSW clubbie debate?

tort-- I like the idea... so the FNS leg stand alone it'd be similar to FNS2- 80 ish KM - $150 ish bucks? then Leg 2 would be what another 100 ish km and say 200 bucks- since ACT rounds are capped at $ 350 right?

that looks like fun to me! we'd definately take the day off for something like that.. ...

Rowds

[Ben Wilson]

Originally Posted by tortfeaser

Suing the BMSC/CAMS 'cos someone flogged your car? Doesn't seem to be a problem when you park your car at work, does it.

Very different situation, by forcing the owners to leave the cars in parc ferme surely the club has to bear some responsibility for the security of the cars?

If nothing else, you'd need parc ferme security to stop people sneaking in to fix their cars overnight.

[Kagan]

I would think that we could come up with a fairly workable soution to leaving the cars out overnight, they do it at all the Car Markets, or worst case senario, a little disclaimer like all care but no responsibility should clear up any leagal arguments .

I like the idea of a two day event, or a quick night sprint, followed by a day of rallying, and I would be happy to leave my car 'locked' in park ferme overnight*

Would there be anywhere like say EPIC (closed up behind fences to the general public over night) that would allow us to park overnight that anyone could think of??? Might lay some peoples minds to rest.

*Obviously on the understanding that it would be done with as much security as BMSC or whoever could provide, I wouldn't leave it parked out in the street in the middle of Charnwood for instance, but in a Car Market style area, I don't see what the problem would be.

[tortfeaser]

Yeah, stick this in a new thread if you want. Was just a quick update on what I'm thinking. The feedback is good.

Originally Posted by rowdytoot

thread spilt anyone?? torts FNS/ACT round idea from the NSW clubbie debate?

tort-- I like the idea... so the FNS leg stand alone it'd be similar to FNS2- 80 ish KM - $150 ish bucks? then Leg 2 would be what another 100 ish km and say 200 bucks- since ACT rounds are capped at $ 350 right?

Yeah, Leg 1 on Fri night 80km-ish, Leg 2 140km-ish. Both legs or leg 2 only $350 (no promises - I haven't done a budget yet), FNS only $150ish (again, without doing a budget).

Originally Posted by Ben Wilson

Very different situation, by forcing the owners to leave the cars in parc ferme surely the club has to bear some responsibility for the security of the cars?

Noone is forcing you to leave a car in parc ferme, you choose to accept the conditions of the event when you enter. Although we 'force' competitors to drive quickly to be competitive the club doesn't bear any responsibility when you stick it off.

Originally Posted by Ben Wilson

If nothing else, you'd need parc ferme security to stop people sneaking in to fix their cars overnight.

Yes. For sure. I was thinking something like the Woden Tradies' basement carpark but if necessary out in the open at Castrol Corner with a volunteer or two looking after things would be fine, too. Maybe like the LCCC Woden shopping centre effort, start and parc ferme there on Fri, restart sat.

[Mike Cherry]

Although we 'force' competitors to drive quickly to be competitive the club doesn't bear any responsibility when you stick it off.


At no time does anyone force a Competitor to "drive quickly", the speed at which you drive is entirely your choice, the Competitors themselves set this level, it is then your choice, no?