"Day permits" - Brindabella Motor Sport Club

Jimbo · 22-05-2006, 03:12 PM

Simple question, wanting a yes or no answer please. Yes i have searched, but a bit out of touch with various legalities..

Can you enter/drive in a rally on a ACT unreigisted vehicile permit? Example being car used for one day in Snap-On.

Can you enter/drive in a rally in an ACT with a Interstate "unregisted vehicile permit" - And i'm not meaning a Vic Rally permit...

tortfeaser · 22-05-2006, 03:44 PM

You can compete on a permit anywhere that permit is valid. If its an ACT permit, then it usually is restricted for use in the ACT. So if you're trying to do the Snap-On with an ACT permit you're good to go. (Been there, done that.)

Jimbo · 22-05-2006, 04:11 PM

Thanks Marc

hev · 22-05-2006, 04:12 PM

I have competed on a NSW unregistered vehicle permit in the ACT. Technically it is NSW registration, so therefore it would be valid where any other NSW registration would be valid, ie. everywhere. The only limit to that (as far as I can see) is that when we apply for one we offer information that it is to complete the liaison stages of whatever rally it is for, and they normally list that in the special conditions. I could be wrong, but...

Hope that helps...

JS · 22-05-2006, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by hev

I have competed on a NSW unregistered vehicle permit in the ACT. Technically it is NSW registration, so therefore it would be valid where any other NSW registration would be valid, ie. everywhere. The only limit to that (as far as I can see) is that when we apply for one we offer information that it is to complete the liaison stages of whatever rally it is for, and they normally list that in the special conditions. I could be wrong, but...

Hope that helps...

hEV SO WHAT YOUR SAYING IS THAT YOU DONT THINK YOU NEED A REGISTERED CAR ON COMPETITIVE STAGES. My ADVICE IS DONT HAVE A PRANG as your rallying days will be over along with everbody elses in town.

On a serious note i thought a permit was to complete repairs prior to registration not to compete in motorsport events . I say let the buyer beware and in this case i wouldn,t want to test that theory. Im sure if you told them that you wanted to compete in a car rally that uses gazetted public roads that are technically closed they would string u up by the gonads.

I may well be wrong and stand corrected if i am but im sure not going to find out by getting a permit.

JS

Bogan · 22-05-2006, 05:24 PM

Start here.

T.

JS · 22-05-2006, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogan

Start here.

T.

BOGES I have read here but stand by my interpretation and thats all it is but if i have a normal road crash in a rally car i want a chance to win not a definite $50 a week paying off someone elses car when i thought my car was actually registered by exploring a loophole in some dodgy permit system.

Cavaet Emptor

Damo · 22-05-2006, 05:44 PM

Interesting...

I've competed a few times on an ACT day permit within the ACT, which is fine - but ACT Rego went to great pains to let me know that the permit was only valid within the ACT. Sounds like NSW rego is a bit different in this regard?

tortfeaser · 22-05-2006, 05:55 PM

JS = scaremongering. The permit states it is good for everything that regular rego is good for but only in the ACT.

Even if the roads are not public roads the car still has to be registered (whether by permit or full rego) - Schedule R says this.

Damo · 22-05-2006, 05:59 PM

Sorry, didnt read JS's poste before posting mine above.
I ran the NatCap last year on a permit, as Adrian was happy to allow this as long as the permit read "For use in the National Capital Rally on xx/11/2005"
When I went to get this from rego, the lady behind the counter wasnt sure, so she conulted the act and interpreted it as being the same as having full rego. This was then run by her team leader, the site manager, and they rang one of their technical/policy areas for confirmation.
The final verdict was that it contained the same value (CTP insurance etc, etc) as full rego, so I was allowed to go ahead.
The only difference is that my car did perviously have ACT rally rego, which had expired a month or so beforehand - it wasnt a car that had never been registered, or had come from another state.

DaveTrees · 22-05-2006, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tortfeaser

Even if the roads are not public roads the car still has to be registered (whether by permit or full rego) - Schedule R says this.

You beat me to it ......

I think a Victorian UVP is vaild outside Vic, but you would have to check with VicRoads to be certain.

I know a mate of mine used one to drive an unregistered (import) WRX from Melbourne to Mt Gambier a few years ago when he bought it to build into a rally car.

Whether or not the ACT recognises a Vic UVP could be another matter, however ......

Bl00dy "federation" ... I thought we were supposed to be one country !

Ric Cary · 22-05-2006, 06:17 PM

JS you are absoluely barking up the wrong tree, you don't have comprehensive insurance but you certainly have all the insurance that is a statutory requirement( CTP) and I haven't tried it but I guess you might find that Aon or one of the other Motorsport friendly insurers might have a "transport" policy available for limited time periods.

tortfeaser · 22-05-2006, 06:32 PM

Yes. Sorry - I'm making a distinction between CTP and not-compulsory fire, theft, third party property. CTP is included on and with the ACT permit (as it does the full rego). I think CTP is included with NSW permits but comes as a seperate bit of paper.

Not-compulsory insurance comes however you can get it. I got it for the Camira for $270! Bargain from Shannons (agreed value for a rally car and all).

Mike Cherry · 22-05-2006, 08:22 PM

The RTA up this way has issued a number of permits for rally use without any dramas.
You get your CTP coverage when you get the permit, all you need is a pink slip ( passed for rego ), some cash and your CAMS licence.
You need to declare the useage, ie from Sydney to Taree, the approved course of the Rally of the Manning Valley & return to Sydney.
It not for just cruising around on.
No 2 son got one today to drive to our Autocross at the weekend, still using the pink slip he got for the RMV, as it is still current. He used the UVP to do Stage Command for the RMV.
Whole lot so far hasn't cost him $100, including PS, cheaper than hiring & towing trailer!

JS · 23-05-2006, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Ric Cary

JS you are absoluely barking up the wrong tree, you don't have comprehensive insurance but you certainly have all the insurance that is a statutory requirement( CTP) and I haven't tried it but I guess you might find that Aon or one of the other Motorsport friendly insurers might have a "transport" policy available for limited time periods.

Ric where did i say why or anyone had TO HAVE comprehensive insurance! i didnt, what i said is i wouldnt like to test it in a court of law, that is my opinion as i stated. Effectively what you are suggesting is creating your own private rally rego system, a. to evade full freight rego, and b. to avoid a normal inspection, if that were really the case why do any of us bother registering our cars at all. I recently had the opportunity to chat to MR PLOD re driving rally registered cars albeit nsw or act and he did his nana, i dont think he would have been more impressed with some dodgy permit system. Your entitled to your opinion but thats all it is your opinion. The sooner we have a national rally rego system aka Victoria the better.