ACT pointscores post Bega & points allocation discussion.

[claude]

Originally Posted by Stewy

The best thing for me to do is just drive faster and beat Claude

Just in case you haven't noticed Carl, there are 5 "other" drivers between you and I in silver cup at the moment

The other 5 crews probably think you still have a little bit of work to do before you can claim the 06 Silver Cup Trophy as yours just yet ....

[Stewy]

Originally Posted by claude

Just in case you haven't noticed Carl, there are 5 "other" drivers between you and I in silver cup at the moment

The other 5 crews probably think you still have a little bit of work to do before you can claim the 06 Silver Cup Trophy as yours just yet ....

Im well aware of that im just saying at rallys I need to drive faster so as to avoid what happened at Bega(rally not series!), but we all know your going to whoop my ass so its a lost cause anyway.
Next year $35series rego=carton Extra Dry.

[mattj]

Originally Posted by Stewy

Next year $35series rego=carton Extra Dry.

Nearly....there around $38 now

[Bogan]

ACT regs. state:

To be eligible for the Novice Driver category...

Does this mean to be eligible to register or to be eligible for points? I could register free to say I'm in the ACT Series but not score any points, or my registration wouldn't be accepted? Maybe something to clear up for next year to please the pedants among us?

T.

[Kagan]

I can't see how you could possible register for a series your not eligable to compete in, especailly when its novice and based purely on the driver not the car. I think it would defeat the purpose of the Series and defeats the purpose of the free entry to encourage newbies.
I guess it would be like you going to register for the Local under 12's rugby team, your not eligable to play, so your not eligable to enter.

[Kagan]

Tony,

Here is the clause you need:

To be eligible for the Novice Driver category, entrants must
(i) Not have been classified as a finisher, when driving, in more
than 3 special stage rally events prior to 31 December 2005
(ii) Not have started more than 5 special stage rallies as a driver prior to
31 December 2005.

Its states to be eligible for the novice driver catagory, rather than to score points in novice, therefore if you don't meet the requirements, you can't enter.

[robo]

How about the clause that Co-Drivers must be with an ACT registerred driver to score points. I find this a bit rough for co-drivers. For example if there is a co-driver running in the series and can't find a drive that is ACT registered for a particular event, why should they be so disadvantaged. They are not there as lap dogs for drivers but have there own seperate tophy, and should not be a "win cause you drove with them" trophy. Where does someone go that wants to get about and compete and has no affiliation with a driver if they are not guaranteed points at an event, even if they could find a ride just because the driver isn't interested in the ACT series. Especially at the bigger events like Bega. Bay and Nat Cap. There would be heaps more options for them. The rules for silver cup could still apply for the driver, ie they can't have finished in the top 3 in a state series before.

[Kagan]

Robo

So what if a novice co-driver is tied coming into the last event, they want the win so they convince there mate, Cody Crocker to come have a run in the last round, Cody isn't register therefore doesn't have a seeding in the ACT as such. The Co-driver with Cody wins the title and the guy who has ben competing all year with the other novice guys, in novice cars with novice drivers, is left to work out how someone can score novice points when sitting along-side Cody.

This may be an extreme example, but replace Cody with Kelvin Crocker or any of the other guys at the top of state rounds. It would seem that it would be the only way to determine who is eligable for what series in the Co-Drivers Championship. Otherwise Novices could be in car one with an ARC driver against the rest in cars 60 and on in old datto's an unexperienced drivers.

[robo]

Kagan

ACT determination of your seeding relies on State series events anyway of which ACT series has decided not to be. So determining an eligible driver is relatively easily as long as the rules would then say that to be for Co-Drivers to be eligible to score points for the novice, silver cup or clubman series, the driver/car must meet the requirements of that series.

[Kagan]

ACT determination of your seeding relies on State series events anyway of which ACT series has decided not to be.

I was talking about the ACT seeding list, which is obtained from the ACT rounds, not NSW State rounds... not sure what you are saying with this??

[robo]

Originally Posted by Kagan

I was talking about the ACT seeding list, which is obtained from the ACT rounds, not NSW State rounds... not sure what you are saying with this??

I am not sure what I am saying myself most of the time, but my understanding of driver eligibility for the ACT series is that it is based soley on State series events which. And the ACT series is not a state series.

All I am saying is that a nav should be able to hop in the car with any driver that satisfies the requirement for the Clubman or novice series that they are enterred into. There have been cases where the navs have managed to find a ride with some one for an event that qualifies for the series that they are in, but the nav first had to pay for the driver to register for the ACT series before the nav can earn points. I don't understand why they should have to do that.

I am not saying it is meant to be, but it sounds a lot like that it is just done to get more money in which goes against a lot of the principles that I thought the ACT series was about.

[Bogan]

There's been history of people stacking the field to dud people out of stuff. The people concerned are on here and will no doubt chime in if they want to give details. Last round of the series, need a win and all that. For novice it's free to register anyway, for Gold Cup you should have to pay if you want to take it that seriously (this is meant in a nice way) and for Clubman I guess they're just the rock in the hard place.

The ACT co-efficient list has been discussed to death, but I think it's a mix of all kinds of events, all ACT Series events should (and I think do) most certainly count, I'm not sure about others. There was discussion of RoC not counting, it's all about who's in the field and how hard they're trying, let your fingers do the searching.

I don't reckon it's all about the dollar.

T.

[robo]

Actually I got my wires a bit crossed on the eligibility rule. The rule I was looking at was an extra that if you won a state series event, etc then you could no longer compete in clubman or novice.

But my main point is that a nav should be able to find a ride with an eligible driver regardless of wether that driver has registerred for the ACT series or not. For example and where this all stems from, Matty J told me of how he had to register claude in a previuos season as Matty was running for the nav series and claude was the ride he could find but was not currently registerred, but was eligible for the series, as was shown once they coffed up the $35-. It was the last round of the act series but they had to pay the money just so Matty could score points. Should it not be possible that they should be able to go, Claude is a grade wopty wop driver therefore if Matty navs for him he is eligible for clubman/gold cup/novice (whatever it may be).

Then navs could be just navs by themselves and concentrate on the series without depending on having to find a driver that is also wanting to register for the series.

Maybe it is hard to find the time to work it out, but if they register you have to work it out anyway. I guess this way the ACT get money for it, and thereby possibly discouraging it and making it harder for a nav but easier for ACT drivers to find a nav. So we focus on helping the drivers more.

[mattj]

hey dave it was Ian Forsyth i had to register, not Claude

[Martino]

No system is pefect Robo. And by doing what you ask it will open more holes and issues than it will close. As stated by the above posts.

If a nav really want to win a series and the find an unregisted driver (who is elegable) why don't they just pay for the drivers registeration.