Lithgow

[Marcus]

Originally Posted by Matt

.

Back on topic. Anyone else have an event report?

Why yes, I'm writing quite a bad and long one right now

[Nighto]

Originally Posted by Rallyray

Maybe if you packed a bit more meat you'd be able to succeed....

Can I help you at all with that !!!

[Shannon]

From car 12
There is a few people to thank
Ric and crew for putting in the hard yards and for a top event (Should be more pace note events, I feel a lot better knowing what's ahead but still couldn't commit to the really fast stuff, maybe its just a thing of wanting to keep the car shiny )

All the volunteers that made the day happen
Fro for servicing.
Russel and Andrew for lending a hand.
Renee for telling me where to go.
Cath for lending a hand to look after the kids.

Not to much to report car ran very smoothly with only a top up of water and a drink of juice was all that was required.

Oh that's right had a heap of brake knock off which was a surprise us, as we had just changed the disc and pads and did the media day. Then only to find out on the first long straight at the end

Found the roads to be great at speed with only a couple of patches of really bad stuff but you just have to drive them at what you think is a non car wrecking pace (which seem to be the norm with rallies now days).

Was great to get some more bum in seat time and just get back into a routine.

And because all you ACT people decided to do your points we managed a third place

Lock me in Eddy

[legend]

Originally Posted by Fletch

Your just like my girlfriend... impossible to believe...

fixed.

Originally Posted by Mickb83

I think she'd be more worried about you getting the clap from rob!!!

*---applies magic ointment------*

Originally Posted by Griffo

Thanks for clearing that up Rob.

funniest topic tangent in ages.

[Marcus]

Hey, there any more pictures? There were such a heap of cameras out there, but so few displaying their work....?

I saw Blacky had a gallery up, but so few others.

Now for an actual report. Please ntoe the coming posts were NOT written for BMSC, but for an audience unfamiliar to the event and rallying. And somewhat bluer than most reports too. And a HELL of a lot longer. Plus a bunch of people who know me so there's a few joke references some wont get.

--

First there is this in 2005

The Something Awful Forums

And then this....

The Something Awful Forums

And then the report....

The Something Awful Forums

The goonfamous Galant VR4's first event, 2005 Shakedown

Then we step forward a year and the addition of a grey bonnet, a host of lightweighting, plus WRC quality Proflex... and the addition of the Goon Service Crew with Hunter Devourer calling the notes...

The Something Awful Forums



Still the picture of all my years from any event I've ever done I love the most. Also amazing to read the old thread and realise how many of the same cars come back year after year

And then 2007's thread I cant find so here's some pictures anyway

Lithgow 2007



Wow WTF, it happened in that event too? See later in thread for details



Win a cookie if you know about this VR4 and subsequent history

Then due to a planned trip I missed 2008 but went and took pictures anyway

The Something Awful Forums

And then posted about 2009 in the More Subaru's than the works team thread...

The Something Awful Forums

Lithgow 2009

So I like this event. It's resonably close to home, it's well run and pace notes rule.

Anyway so I expected this year would be like the last few - go up to a spectactor spot or go get accreditation, breathe a lot of dust and take a bunch of pictures to post and to sell to competitors or magazines, have a beer or two and then hike a lift home as I dont have a licence - runin with a unmarked at a "road works" that had no roadwork.

But then I found my suspension started two days after the event -And then the faint traces of a Bad Idea started to form. Of course the Bad Idea had a few problems in execution - namely no working car, no crew, no race licence (I had let it lapse) and not a lot of tiem to actually prepare and fix the 101 little things on the car I had let slide in the expectation I wasnt doing any events for some time.

That and I was a fat unfit ****.

Well I suppose the fat unfit **** bit was the harder issue to solve.... no, I simply decded to drown myself in sweat, iron and HIIT so it turned out to be the easiest one. Of course that didnt take like a week to lose 5 kgs and actually be able to run 4km without dyign due to lung imposion - but most nights here there I was busting my guts and being all W&W once again like I should be.

And then there's the car. All sitting in the carpark, tyres going flat and without turning a wheel for 4 months except to fix the rear wheel bearings that had fallen apart. Still had half ahandbrake, lots of rally bits being removed and ****, did it even start???? Let alone the issues of trailers, service cars and **** what the hell was I doing even thinking abut this ridulous ****, especially with clients going ass up and cashflow tighening, thanks to the GFC's effects still rippling on and unscrupulous competitors in the IT industry?

Somedays I rally would just love to simply go **** it and I dunno.... open a Christian sex store with an attached cat boarding business? You know, something that makes more than one kind of pussy purr.

And one that doesnt cater to Catholic preists.

So anyway, after musing on the moral and ethical boundaries a Christian sex store might have I actually went and found my spanners to fix the handbrake. And **** the asshole who decided a modern car should have a drum handbrake. Actually, **** drum brakes full stop and the apologists for this crap technology. Saying drums are cool is like saying banging choir boys is tops. Now on the off chance drums can be cool and choir boys are good to root, it still is about as wrong as cats thinking birdies arent crunchy.

And this is creepign the **** out of me so movign right along....

Still two weeks before the event, I'm more thinking that I'd be off takign pictures so a couple of events to "warm up" would be good. One on Rallyschool has already been posted a few weeks ago and then last week we had a Khanacross that KaptainBallistik decided to attend to do some tuning.

MCC Khanacross 11042010

And I woud like to now introduce the Gay Twink Cowboy



Who is so gay he bangs supermodels and spends half his life either working in such gay places as warehouses or the other half drinking every ****er under the able with three hot women off each arm before sleeping between two of them in a haze of sexual exhaustion. Theirs, not his.

Okay, I lied. The guy cant drink for ****.

Bastard still looks like gay cowboy, no matter which model he's sexing up this week.

So after Kaptainballistik takes home first prize and we visit the former rally beast that is slowly being resurrected, I am having some thoughts on this whole rally thing and licence suspension.

Me : So I will be walking next week
:v: Then do somethign beforehand!
Me : Like....?
:v: Pay the entry fee, have some fun!
Me : But there's so much to do and money to spend I cant spend....!
:v: Listen ****wit, this is your subconcious here. Do I have to grab that sensible and depressed bit of you and beat the **** out of it?
:saddowns: I'd like to see you try
:v: Allright! :****off:
Me : **** I feel all better already! Lets enter!
:v: I knew you would see the light. Now hurry up, entries closed two days ago

Entries beign closed was a touch of an issue I suppose. But hey, what's the harm in asking?

:phoneb: Hello Event Organiser?
:phone: Why hello there Marcus what do you wish? Like a stage to take pictures from?
:phoneb: Well.... no, I'd liek to enter please. But it's liek two days after en...
:phone: Hey no problem, give the event secretary an email, pay the money and have fun!

Oh.

So due to the miricle of technolgy, I get paid, email the event secretary and I'm in. With no working car, no crew, no accomodation and not a clue.

What could possibly go wrong?

--

Monday morning.

A few calls the night before and we had Gay Cowboy taking a break from his schedule of banging models from FHM as service crew (that's a bad mental image), we had tow car, Hunter Devourer was going to take time from his busy schedule in ripping his enemies apart and feasting on their flesh to call the notes, KaptainBallistik taking a break from inventing a new bit of alchemy on his RX2 to also service plus MissJess as service Park manager.

Amongst all the things to get in order was my race licence. Now, I have a expired NR (National Rally) from CAMS (Conspiracy Against MotorSport) which was going to prove interesting to get in time, especially with the political battles I've been having against them as a representive of a club and the community.

20 minutes later I have a fax saying my licence is renewed.

So about 3:30pm, Gay Cowboy is at the office and we roll to where the car is, to begin the process of sorting the cobwebbed and dusty mess into a vaguely usable car. Pump the tyres up, compressed air to blast the layeered dirt out of the interior, check the suspension, start the car up (Jeez it didnt sound happy with a five month old tank of fuel) drive around the block, test the lights, test the brakes and get 6 + reverse gears.

Something is wrong here. Only thing not working is reverse lights. So we reinstall the intercom




We have never had a working set of lights, terratrip, intercom at the same time.

Seems suspiciously too easy so far. How could I possibly make it more difficult for myself I wonder? How about I go to the lockup and get the helmets and spare tyres?



Why look it's a barn find WRX

Genuinely not driven in a year and probably not going to be driven for at least two more - I really have too many WRX's. I suppose I should start it up again soon.



Spare rally tyres for a RX2, VR4 and a STI. I think at least 30 tyres...?

I really gotta throw some of the old carcasses out.

--

Tuesday.

With a failure to get a regional scrutineer to see the car, I had to actually wash the bloody thing and do a bit more work to have it ready. Bit difficult with no hose but lots of buckets help. Accomodation found. Helmets retrived, race suits organised (That pissed me off, I specifically entered the lower level event to avoid apparel rules but they wanted to run the twin events as the one field so... we had to borrow a bunch of suits. ****) and few other detail bits like making sure my tools were in order and not gone walkies.

Inbetween all of that is a bunch of last minute fitness conditioning, based on trying to not throw up blood doing HIIT or drop 80kg bench press on my throat. The things I do to not be a fat bastard and to not gasp while going up a flight of steps. As a factual note, you do need a fair degree of fitness to drive competively. While being overweight and unfit is no impediment to competeing, the sheer fact that the last rallies I suffered a lot with heat and the pounding (not from the Gay Cowboy) of the roads, which probably lead to lapses of concentration and off road exursions doesnt help. 75 verses close to 90 kgs makes a bit of a difference too. At least I'd ****ing fit in the seat this time with 82 kgs and a fair bit more muscle rather than flabby deadweight.

Annnnyway.....

Wednesday

So we piss off to scrutineering, drop the car off the trailer, get the documentation done, wander in the workshop to perve at some of the weaponry there like this



And then it's our turn to be pointed and laughed at - Zero problems apart from the known reverse lights. WTF? You mean an early night after we dropped the car off?



Reversing camera amused the **** out of me

And then back in the office we have my desk




Suits, helmets and two bags of apparel and spare harnesses.

So what has gone wrong so far....? Suspiciously little. That wasnt a good sign, but that's for tomorrow

[robert inall]

Neils shots are up............

Neil Blackbourn's Photo Galleries at pbase.com

[rwinks]

I loved Lithgow. Pace notes are great but I’m sure they can teach you bad habits. I found myself committing deeper and deeper into corners, way beyond what I could see or remember. With the extra speed I was able to find the rhythm of the road and each stage was as rewarding as the next.
The main street start is a great signature of the event and the social nature of all the teams ready to talk the talk was great.

It was great to have Steve jump back into the car and he was on the notes as if we had been competing on notes for years. Those safety notes supplied by Ric and the crew are brilliant. As we drove them I had to wonder if I could ever write then at Recce speed.

I had a great tussle with Duffy and Fifield who were taking too much pride in telling me how much time they were pulling out of us in the middle stages. Well that was just the red rag to the bull. My goal was to run the event on a single set of second tyres and they were holding up really well so with the idea of only two stages to go I knew I could toast them. The car was running like a dream with no over heating issues and it was handling well so I gave it a real red hot go. I wasn’t sure how much time I needed to make up so I just went for maximum attach, high revs, late breaking, committing to every corner and changing gears often just to stay in the power band instead of just staying on the torque curve. Well the temp couldn’t cope and the first option was to back off but I was enjoying it far too much so I turned the heater on flat out and kept up it. There was only one corner that got me unstuck and it was just there I’m sure as the reminder of where the limit was. At the end of the two stages I had made up more then enough time even beating our first stage time by almost a minute.
How was it that I was beaten by a dirty front wheel drive civic, that was one hell of a drive from Adam and I can’t wait to see how he goes for the rest of the year. The other is how was it that last years novice was pulling off comparable stage times, Duffy is definitely living up to his fathers reputation now that car has found more power in the mighty B. It just proves he has the talent and it will be interesting to see it if he can read the roads as well in a blind rally.

It was disappointing to see Kobold with a DNF on the way to stage 1, I felt his pain. With Steve the Ford specialist in my Nav seat we stopped and assistance but to no gain. Again the banter between us remains as banter and no real stage time are on the board to settle the rankings.

The lead up to this event was complicated by worries of who and how we were going to get the cars up there and service. Thanks to Phil Herald and Greg who came to the rescue as they were kept busy servicing Rick Gray and I. Later in the evening PJs crew joined in and before we knew it there was a lots of energy.
Here is looking forward to next years Lithgow. Thanks Ric, and the team for pulling off a great event.

Rally On-Russel

I'll get some incar up shortly just to share love of that rear wheel drive action.

[legend]

Originally Posted by Marcus

Hey, there any more pictures? There were such a heap of cameras out there, but so few displaying their work....?

I saw Blacky had a gallery up, but so few others.

Now for an actual report. Please ntoe the coming posts were NOT written for BMSC, but for an audience unfamiliar to the event and rallying. And somewhat bluer than most reports too. And a HELL of a lot longer. Plus a bunch of people who know me so there's a few joke references some wont get.

--

First there is this in 2005

The Something Awful Forums

And then this....

The Something Awful Forums

And then the report....

The Something Awful Forums

The goonfamous Galant VR4's first event, 2005 Shakedown

Then we step forward a year and the addition of a grey bonnet, a host of lightweighting, plus WRC quality Proflex... and the addition of the Goon Service Crew with Hunter Devourer calling the notes...

The Something Awful Forums


Still the picture of all my years from any event I've ever done I love the most. Also amazing to read the old thread and realise how many of the same cars come back year after year

And then 2007's thread I cant find so here's some pictures anyway

Lithgow 2007



Wow WTF, it happened in that event too? See later in thread for details



Win a cookie if you know about this VR4 and subsequent history

Then due to a planned trip I missed 2008 but went and took pictures anyway

The Something Awful Forums

And then posted about 2009 in the More Subaru's than the works team thread...

The Something Awful Forums

Lithgow 2009

So I like this event. It's resonably close to home, it's well run and pace notes rule.

Anyway so I expected this year would be like the last few - go up to a spectactor spot or go get accreditation, breathe a lot of dust and take a bunch of pictures to post and to sell to competitors or magazines, have a beer or two and then hike a lift home as I dont have a licence - runin with a unmarked at a "road works" that had no roadwork.

But then I found my suspension started two days after the event -And then the faint traces of a Bad Idea started to form. Of course the Bad Idea had a few problems in execution - namely no working car, no crew, no race licence (I had let it lapse) and not a lot of tiem to actually prepare and fix the 101 little things on the car I had let slide in the expectation I wasnt doing any events for some time.

That and I was a fat unfit ****.

Well I suppose the fat unfit **** bit was the harder issue to solve.... no, I simply decded to drown myself in sweat, iron and HIIT so it turned out to be the easiest one. Of course that didnt take like a week to lose 5 kgs and actually be able to run 4km without dyign due to lung imposion - but most nights here there I was busting my guts and being all W&W once again like I should be.

And then there's the car. All sitting in the carpark, tyres going flat and without turning a wheel for 4 months except to fix the rear wheel bearings that had fallen apart. Still had half ahandbrake, lots of rally bits being removed and ****, did it even start???? Let alone the issues of trailers, service cars and **** what the hell was I doing even thinking abut this ridulous ****, especially with clients going ass up and cashflow tighening, thanks to the GFC's effects still rippling on and unscrupulous competitors in the IT industry?

Somedays I rally would just love to simply go **** it and I dunno.... open a Christian sex store with an attached cat boarding business? You know, something that makes more than one kind of pussy purr.

And one that doesnt cater to Catholic preists.

So anyway, after musing on the moral and ethical boundaries a Christian sex store might have I actually went and found my spanners to fix the handbrake. And **** the asshole who decided a modern car should have a drum handbrake. Actually, **** drum brakes full stop and the apologists for this crap technology. Saying drums are cool is like saying banging choir boys is tops. Now on the off chance drums can be cool and choir boys are good to root, it still is about as wrong as cats thinking birdies arent crunchy.

And this is creepign the **** out of me so movign right along....

Still two weeks before the event, I'm more thinking that I'd be off takign pictures so a couple of events to "warm up" would be good. One on Rallyschool has already been posted a few weeks ago and then last week we had a Khanacross that KaptainBallistik decided to attend to do some tuning.

MCC Khanacross 11042010

And I woud like to now introduce the Gay Twink Cowboy



Who is so gay he bangs supermodels and spends half his life either working in such gay places as warehouses or the other half drinking every ****er under the able with three hot women off each arm before sleeping between two of them in a haze of sexual exhaustion. Theirs, not his.

Okay, I lied. The guy cant drink for ****.

Bastard still looks like gay cowboy, no matter which model he's sexing up this week.

So after Kaptainballistik takes home first prize and we visit the former rally beast that is slowly being resurrected, I am having some thoughts on this whole rally thing and licence suspension.

Me : So I will be walking next week
:v: Then do somethign beforehand!
Me : Like....?
:v: Pay the entry fee, have some fun!
Me : But there's so much to do and money to spend I cant spend....!
:v: Listen ****wit, this is your subconcious here. Do I have to grab that sensible and depressed bit of you and beat the **** out of it?
:saddowns: I'd like to see you try
:v: Allright! :****off:
Me : **** I feel all better already! Lets enter!
:v: I knew you would see the light. Now hurry up, entries closed two days ago

Entries beign closed was a touch of an issue I suppose. But hey, what's the harm in asking?

:phoneb: Hello Event Organiser?
:phone: Why hello there Marcus what do you wish? Like a stage to take pictures from?
:phoneb: Well.... no, I'd liek to enter please. But it's liek two days after en...
:phone: Hey no problem, give the event secretary an email, pay the money and have fun!

Oh.

So due to the miricle of technolgy, I get paid, email the event secretary and I'm in. With no working car, no crew, no accomodation and not a clue.

What could possibly go wrong?

--

Monday morning.

A few calls the night before and we had Gay Cowboy taking a break from his schedule of banging models from FHM as service crew (that's a bad mental image), we had tow car, Hunter Devourer was going to take time from his busy schedule in ripping his enemies apart and feasting on their flesh to call the notes, KaptainBallistik taking a break from inventing a new bit of alchemy on his RX2 to also service plus MissJess as service Park manager.

Amongst all the things to get in order was my race licence. Now, I have a expired NR (National Rally) from CAMS (Conspiracy Against MotorSport) which was going to prove interesting to get in time, especially with the political battles I've been having against them as a representive of a club and the community.

20 minutes later I have a fax saying my licence is renewed.

So about 3:30pm, Gay Cowboy is at the office and we roll to where the car is, to begin the process of sorting the cobwebbed and dusty mess into a vaguely usable car. Pump the tyres up, compressed air to blast the layeered dirt out of the interior, check the suspension, start the car up (Jeez it didnt sound happy with a five month old tank of fuel) drive around the block, test the lights, test the brakes and get 6 + reverse gears.

Something is wrong here. Only thing not working is reverse lights. So we reinstall the intercom




We have never had a working set of lights, terratrip, intercom at the same time.

Seems suspiciously too easy so far. How could I possibly make it more difficult for myself I wonder? How about I go to the lockup and get the helmets and spare tyres?



Why look it's a barn find WRX

Genuinely not driven in a year and probably not going to be driven for at least two more - I really have too many WRX's. I suppose I should start it up again soon.



Spare rally tyres for a RX2, VR4 and a STI. I think at least 30 tyres...?

I really gotta throw some of the old carcasses out.

--

Tuesday.

With a failure to get a regional scrutineer to see the car, I had to actually wash the bloody thing and do a bit more work to have it ready. Bit difficult with no hose but lots of buckets help. Accomodation found. Helmets retrived, race suits organised (That pissed me off, I specifically entered the lower level event to avoid apparel rules but they wanted to run the twin events as the one field so... we had to borrow a bunch of suits. ****) and few other detail bits like making sure my tools were in order and not gone walkies.

Inbetween all of that is a bunch of last minute fitness conditioning, based on trying to not throw up blood doing HIIT or drop 80kg bench press on my throat. The things I do to not be a fat bastard and to not gasp while going up a flight of steps. As a factual note, you do need a fair degree of fitness to drive competively. While being overweight and unfit is no impediment to competeing, the sheer fact that the last rallies I suffered a lot with heat and the pounding (not from the Gay Cowboy) of the roads, which probably lead to lapses of concentration and off road exursions doesnt help. 75 verses close to 90 kgs makes a bit of a difference too. At least I'd ****ing fit in the seat this time with 82 kgs and a fair bit more muscle rather than flabby deadweight.

Annnnyway.....

Wednesday

So we piss off to scrutineering, drop the car off the trailer, get the documentation done, wander in the workshop to perve at some of the weaponry there like this



And then it's our turn to be pointed and laughed at - Zero problems apart from the known reverse lights. WTF? You mean an early night after we dropped the car off?



Reversing camera amused the **** out of me

And then back in the office we have my desk




Suits, helmets and two bags of apparel and spare harnesses.

So what has gone wrong so far....? Suspiciously little. That wasnt a good sign, but that's for tomorrow

the only thing worse than people putting up ridiculously long posts, is the wanker that has to quote it just to make the whole page virtually impossible to follow. very annoying.

[robert inall]

Originally Posted by rwinks

Well the temp couldn’t cope and the first option was to back off but I was enjoying it far too much so I turned the heater on flat out and kept up it.

Russell are you still having overheating problems ? It's a fair bet to say my engine would get at least as hard a work out yours and I have never once had a temp issue. Are you still persisting with a thermo? If so ditch it.

[rwinks]

Yep still running the clutch fan because silly me cleaned up under the house and through out the old mechanical fan and shroud.
Have you got any spares I can have? Are you coming down for the Shannons Safari?

btw 90% of my over heating issues were solved when I replaced the radiator so its a nice new world out on the stages but I still wouldn't mind air conditioning for these events where we have the whole apparel requirements.

Originally Posted by robert inall

Russell are you still having overheating problems ? It's a fair bet to say my engine would get at least as hard a work out yours and I have never once had a temp issue. Are you still persisting with a thermo? If so ditch it.

[robert inall]

Originally Posted by rwinks

Yep still running the clutch fan because silly me cleaned up under the house and through out the old mechanical fan and shroud.
Have you got any spares I can have? Are you coming down for the Shannons Safari?

btw 90% of my over heating issues were solved when I replaced the radiator so its a nice new world out on the stages but I still wouldn't mind air conditioning for these events where we have the whole apparel requirements.

Sorry no spares, it got used when your co driver had run with me a few years back and made me jump the car really high and long comming down a bit hard and putting the radiator into the fan. Still got over the line, was only a klm or two from the end

[Haggers]

Originally Posted by rwinks

I loved Lithgow. Pace notes are great but I’m sure they can teach you bad habits. I found myself committing deeper and deeper into corners, way beyond what I could see or remember. With the extra speed I was able to find the rhythm of the road and each stage was as rewarding as the next.

....
I'll get some incar up shortly just to share love of that rear wheel drive action.

Winksy

As you know, I am a great fan of home made pizza moments so I am champing at the bit to savour the 4 seasons version at the Bindo speccy point !! Bring on the in-car. It was a superb piece of work to bring it back from the abyss and get around the corner.

Ari tells me he really nailed the corner in a Vatanesque flourish which I unfortunately missed.

Cheers

Haggers

[John G M]

John & Jo Car 1
Thanks Rick and your team for a great event, and for your help and understanding for our usual last minute preperation.
This was a great rally for us to finally get back up to a decent speed, and feel happy with the car for the first time in a long time.
Stage 1 & 2, I was still bedding in the brakes and got the boys to bleed them at the service. The next few stages was just getting a good feel for the car, the only changes getting Hilly to soften the suspension more all round. The first couple of night stages, gave a bit to much time back to Pete & Dave, so Jo kicked me in the arse and said drive faster!. I have not done much night rallying for years and it did take a bit to get my focus.
The competition is looking up in the state series, and this was a great battle with Pete, I think we were both trying pretty hard. I hope this will continue for the rest of the year.
I am very lucky to get a lot of help, some large, some small but it all helps.
Thanks to Garry Harrison, Dunlop,for your ongoing support
To Kev, Specialised Brake and Clucth
Micheal South (for tunning a real car, I will convert him one day)
Paul Andrews, for a great turbo
Steve Bell, who goes out of his way to help
Murray Coote, is always a pleasure to deal with
Coll Hill, must hate friends with rally cars
Quinno, Mick, Darrel and Alexander, I am slowly converting Mick and darrel to the -4WDs can be fun also side. I hope they might give me 8 out of 10 at the specy point!
Mum, My longest supporter
And to Gerald and Jo for making it a good fun family weekend.
And to my partner Jo, for all her ongoing support, and for doing a great job in the car. I dont know how she sits next to me.
Thanks, John M

[pinko]

Quinno, Mick, Darrel and Alexander, I am slowly converting Mick and darrel to the -4WDs can be fun also side. I hope they might give me 8 out of 10 at the specy point!

NEVER!!!!
we gave you 7.5 for effort and speed....not sideways enough and their was no roar like a V8!!! Jo got an 8, cause she's too hot for you!!

[Ric Cary]

Originally Posted by pinko

Jo got an 8, cause she's too hot for you!!

Quoted for truth