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Old 03-04-2005, 03:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Didn't get to see/feel the dust in anger.

Stage 1 I drove as expected, crappily and trying to stay in the centre of the road, to ensure a finish.

However it wasn't to be. Just past the halfway point in Stage 2, the left halfshaft broke. 1WD made the car handle evil, and just wheelspin everywhere.

By the time we'd got to the end of the stage, there were evil clutch smells too, so that was our initial suspicion (that the clutch had gone, and was just slipping heaps).

We'll pull things apart, and see what's been damaged, and what hasn't, and return at RoC.

Thanks to Total Traction Services, Team Tastic, Tamsey, Bede and Naomi. And everyone else. I'm pissed off I DNF'ed, but I'm glad I got to have a great weekend with great people.
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Old 03-04-2005, 11:51 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I'll try not to spoil too much of the story telling that daveee has to offer, so I'm going to give a nav's account rather than both sides of it

Well, Oberon, the first rally Bodman and I started rallying together! From what i remember it's around the same standard as the Oberon rally last year where i lost my rally virginity...... Lots of dust and lots of fun.

Having driven up the night before we thought not much else could go wrong as we only managed to fix a leak in the rear brakes at 5pm. Arriving at black springs to camp i find that i somehow left the tent poles out of the tent bag. Good for 30 mins of laughter as we attempted to hold my tent up with poles 2metres too small.

Starting the rally we were having fan belt troubles so we were becomng a little worried about overheating issues........... Needless to say we ran with the heater on the whole rally. Not too bad for me (cept my feet were on fire) but i think boydy was feeling the heat.

Stage 1 went alright as it was our first rally in 6 or 7 months (Batemans Bay being our last), we just tried to find our feet. 2nd stage went well and we started getting faster. Stage 3 I managed to give boydy a turn down a road on the right, which after careful examination (as there were bushes in the middle of the road) we decided i gave a wrong call and had to reverse back down it as there was no room to u burn. A good couple of minutes lost there....

The rest of the rally pretty much went out without a hitch.. wouldn't want to bore u as it was of the same standard as the last 3 stages. Except for having to chew up a lot of late time due to more *cough Brake issues cough* but i'll leave that story to Boydy.

Highlights of the rally:
Starting and finishing (albeit while being very hot)
Having lots of laughs
Boydy passing wind mid stage and me trying to get him back the whole rally
Forgetting my tent poles
Boydy managing to stick his hand out the window at a speccy point
Seeing the beauty and horror of fires mid stage
Catching a Gem mid stage

Low points:
Eating a Gem's dust for 8km....
Smelling boydy mid stage
Forgetting tent poles
Giving a mis call


Thanks go to:
Phil Boyd for letting us use his car (again ), Spac for encouragement and advice, Luke, Michael and above mentioned for help with brakes late at night, boydy for asking me to be his nav (year ago), and last but most importantly all those who put time and effort to either stand out in the forest or helping organise the rally.

See u all at Bega!
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Things I noticed...

* Crokers were the best through our point. Heaps of attitude. Looked good.
SS3- I'd say the call would be RGR then Turn Right. Before the spec point.
* Ex-Monkouse car made some serious noise. Gotta Love anti-lag.
* The dust was seriously bad in the night. At our point we had nearly no wind and you got see the dust staying in the Gullies etc.
*Nunny seemed to be moving through our point. The fastest through our point.
* Sorry to M Fawcett... Thought you were Mark Sessions. Too late to pull the Big gun back in.

Looked like a good event. Got some good footage of all the cars through the first run.
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I have a photo of that.

Fiona and I did the speccy point for SS3 and 7 with two others.

SS3 we had between 2 and 6 spectators.
SS7 we had about the same.

I think the no cars bit at the park and having to walk up a feck off big hill put people off going to this point.

Drove up and back in the day, got my 22 points (letters in the mail) and was seriously not impressed how the dirt just hung on the night runs. Maybe starting at midday and finishing earlier would be a better proposition.
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Ray, thought u were a bit slow to pull it out for davee and i actually.... we were already in mid salute

Smee, we got a photo off mfoto, can just make out the smile on Boydy's face

Would love to see ur pic of it tho...
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Road Closure 3.2… (SS3 and SS7)

Drove up on the Saturday morning and got there in time to have a chat to a few people before the meet-time for the officials. Unfortunately, our ‘stage commander’ elected to not bother to make sure he had all the officials sorted and in convoy… So we worked out off the map supplied where we were supposed to be and managed to get ourselves in place without driving on the stage itself.

The section of the stage we could see, the crews came over a crest then about 150m turn right, then uphill with a fast-ish left (looking into the sun for SS3).

First time through the stage Mitch and Renée were going fairly hard (ran a bit wide on the fast-ish left), Kari did the tight turn right the best of the 4WDs, but Mawk looked like he was trying the hardest of the 4WDs. 2WDs and Claude, Mike Batten, Clinton and Marco all looked good. No fro…

Second run through and the dust was the big factor surprisingly enough… The more cars that went through, the more the still air got saturated with dust. Kari had the best run obviously and it got gradually worse from there on. Looking down into the valley and watching it FILL with dust while the sun was setting was amazing!! The standout for the second run was Clinton Croker! Mitch and Renée were running well down the order and I later found out they had had mechanical problems. I was disappointed not to see Mawk come through the second time, but later heard his stage times for the first 3 stages and where he was running before he got beached, and he must be happy. Hopefully he will get the seeding he rightly deserves and has more than earned from now on!!

Managed to get back to the service park for a little while to catch up on all the happenings before heading back to Canberra.
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We had a good event, plan was to see how fast we could go, but not do anything totally stupid to ruin RoC.

Heffernan had about 30 on us when he had problems and we had about the same on Kari. Mark Sessions was basically copying our times to be in 3rd about 40 off the lead.

Kari started eating into our times when he wasn't sweeping the road the second time through and we were only leading by 20 into the night. If we could get a dust-free run it was gunna be a close one.... had a 9 minute gap, and was hoping to get through Long Arm (the second last stage in daylight)- Maybe we were a chance.

Anyway the stage was held up an it was never gunna be enough.... maybe 2.20 was needed. We had a crack through Longarm and were smashed, and then "zero risked" the last. That's 3 times now I've led Oberon into the night to be eventually beaten by Car1 on the road. 2 times in the past 3 years... I'm over Oberon dust!!

Anyway, all is good for RoC. The car looks to have come out of the event well, and the changes seem to be working.

Gav finished in 14th I think..... (although the provisionals have him a bit lower due to a 2min mistake in SS7). He had puncture and lost 5 minutes and struggled with a gear selection problem for most of the event. All up we're fairly happy with that.
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Oh... One more thing. I haven't seen the times Mel Mazzei was posting on any results sheet- but word is he was flying.... I'm thinking he was about on the same pace as Sessions.
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But stages 5, 6 and 7 at Oberon was bordering on ridiculous.

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Oberon was cool. Despite sticking it off on SS5 and DNF'ing, purely to brain fade/concentration/not listening, I was pretty damn happy. 3rd after 48kms competitive, probably around 30seconds clear of Kari and the Barretts - probably due to the road being swept a fair bit as we were back at 22 on the road

Thanks to:
-Martino, for putting up with me sticking it off again.
-The service crew that jumped into action at first service: Paulie, Simon, Gemma, Darren and my parents. You guys (and girls) worked well and fast. I could barely keep up with the answers to your questions.... Sorry for giving you the ***** job, Paulie, and not being able to decide which tyres go where And thanks all of the above - and Fro- for coming to get us after I punted it off.
-Ben Ruggles, for the advice on Silverstones and pointing out the bleeding obvious - that I missed - just before the start!
-Frinky, for the patience and engineering prowess.
-Bede, for the suspension explanation, settings and advice in the last month. Bede's guesses on the settings were on the money and just need a small tweak after the first stage.
-The Barrett's. For me coming up, jabbering cr.ap and annoying the ***** out of them with questions when they were at work but leaving like I learnt something!

I could write a pretty damn big load of junk on the last six months etc. Short end of the stick: got car, tested four times and broke stuff three times. Got educated by Rob Ogilvie one afternoon about what the car should be doing from a theoretical point of view and that opened my eyes immensely. Then trying to make that knowledge work was the hard bit and I could go do it on some corners which I knew immensely well on a test track but didn't really have the faith that I could do it on corners I didn't know. We had only timed a few runs and the times were about the same as the Trueno but the track changes quite a lot so did it mean a lot or nothing? We didn't know.
Did the alternator on the startline of SS1 at Narooma. RoC Media day, the car held together until the end, when a canister came loose and emptied and was down on boost pressure driving home. Just doing short stuff like testing and the media day allowed me to take in small doses of an awesome ride and then think about what I had done wrong and right and think about how I can drive the car in an optimum manner.
Sent the Proflex off to Murray Coote - I got some damn good service from him. It turned up last Thursday, two days before Oberon, luckily, converted from only adjustable bump, to adjustable bump and rebound for the fronts. About a week ago, I was trying to figure out where the boost might be leaking from - with the car on stands. Checking piping and stuff, finally discovered there was a big leak between the exhaust manifold and turbocharger. Again, got great service from Steve Bell, Ralliart guy in Sydney and parts turned up overnight like new gasket and bolts. Ben "Frinky" and I tried drilling holes in the heads of the grade 11 bolts -for lock wiring- and drilled about 13mm (1 and 1/2 bolts) all up with 3 broken drill bits to show for it. The leak was/is still there just a lot smaller and I didn't want to risk running out of time to get a new gasket for the manifold before the event so I just decided to put up with it.
Normally I'm always stressed before a rally but I just relaxed and I figured the car was going to break and there wasn't much I could do about it, if the suspension turned up - which it did. Took the car off the trailer for the dirt section and mega-hills between Goulbourn and Oberon, and noticed the car was down on power. The SuperWatch said that the altitude was over 1000m and at Blacksprings it was 1200m. Frinky lent me a book on turbocharging last night and 1200m - 4000 feet means atmospheric pressure has dropped from 14.7psi at sea level to, around 12.7psi. In layman's terms, each 1000feet increase in altitude means a 3% drop in power, 12% there alone, and for each 7 degrees increase in temperature was a 1% drop in power. So all up, we were ALL around 15% down on power!

Anyway, to the stages.
At the start of the first stage, I decided not to launch the car with the anti-lag on to reduce the shock. I just dropped the clutch from 3 1/2 - 4K rpm and trundled off. Used the intercooler spray for the first minute - all it lasts for. First stages was typically windy and stop, turn, stop, turn. Almost ****ed up about ten times and I learnt to turn brake or turn not both at the last minute. The first few km's made me think we had the wrong setup, just from the amount of understeer. Also the car didn't seem to stop very well. Turned out at service there was too much neg. camber - a guess on my behalf with the eccentric washers. Didn't really check the times, just that we were in the ballpark of the car ahead of us, Gerald Schofield.
Stage 2, changed the suspension settings all around, kept lowering the tyre pressures...but ran out of time to fill up the intercooler/windscreen spray bottle so no intercooler spray. The first few turns reminded me of how to drive from the farm and I just continued the method from there for the rest of the stage. Figured the service crew would be at the spectator point so let the car rev a bit more to give them a good show. The car got a bit hot, water-wise, but I had seen this problem out at the farm and then got the radiator cleaned, put a new thermostat in and a new radiator hose. The media day also was hot ambient temperature and showed the same symptoms and as everyone else had the same problem just turned on the heater and got on with the stage. Towards the end, there was the WRX of Joe Chapman that had come a cropper. I thought I saw a little bit of smoke from under the bonnet and still mindful of Neil Roediger a few years back we stopped and gave them one of our two fire extinguishers. Ultimately, Martino went and got some compassionate time back from the CoC but I think we only lost closer to 20 seconds there rather than 30 so our SS2 should really read around 9.25 rather than 9.15 - in my mind!
SS3 - Long but we took some notes on what not to cut in spots and whether there was a particular line over a hump as I figured we'd be doing it in dark later on...I had Martino writing this down when I came across the spectator point and was probably very ordinary through there. Regarding the humps, the Proflex is a wonderful thing but I tried looking after the car. One thing I suffered on in this stage was generally going in 4th or 5th gear (like 3rd or 4th in any car as the Evo's seem to have really short gearing) over crests and not knowing what was on the other side so I'd naturally lift off. After being out of the drivers seat for a year it is definately something that I am going to have to grow some balls again regarding. One of the aspects of the turbo 4WD's have that makes life easier here is when I wuss out on these crests: driving range of the engine is 3,500 - 5,500 rpm. Say going over the crest at anywhere in the power curve i.e. 4,500. When I turn into a wuss on the crest, I lift off, bleeding about 10 - 20kph off which is 1,000 rpm. When I see where I am going I plant it again, and the engine is now at 3,500 rpm - right at max.boost, max torque, max power. Where as in the Trueno, I'd often drop out of the power band by a few hundred revs and you lose precious time getting it back there.
At service, looked like the tyres had only been working on the inside half of the tyre due to the camber of the tyre. Also picked up a slow flat at some point from a nail!
SS5, I think this was an indication of things to come as the dust was pretty stupid. It doesn't have our time on this stage on the results but I think Martino said it was half a minute slower than the first pass and I had a better setup and driving this time. We crawled sometimes so slowwwwwly. But I figured it was probably the same as for everyone.
SS6, I just started missing things. Notes we had put in from the first run such as 'Don't Cut', I still cut. Just unintentionally. So the signs were there. Not thinking - kind of like this post - it came to a crux on a !!RGR and as I can't remember anything in particular about the preceeding 5 seconds or so, I presume I was just driving to what I could see not what I was being told. The tyre marks show that I only responded when I had gone past the apex!!! Very impressive indeed, not. I threw it sideways to try and make it as I had pulled that off a few times earlier on! As the car was out on the loose stuff, 4WD's still seem to obey the same form of physics and we just kept going off deeper. We were about to go off the edge when I saw the field ahead was full of fallen trees and stumps preceeded by a drop, so I straightened the car and went in straight rather than rolling it as the drop was probably about a meter.
All good, I selected reverse and almost made it to the road before jamming the car on a fallen tree stump with a wheel or two up in the air. It may seem hard to believe but we were laughing while we were waiting - Gemma later said to me that we sounded pretty happy on the radio, whether because of our performance straight out of the blocks or the fact that the car was probably going to roll going off the side of the road sideways -.
Recovery came along eventually - I apologise for not getting their names - Hippensteels maybe? - normally Gemini crew. They tried pulling us off the log(s) but we just kind of turned on the spot, 90 degrees. All we were missing was the whale moan. Realising that people power, or high lift jack, was necessary, we figured that was 'game over' and our flotilla of service crew were on its way so we left it there. Eventually with the service crew we lifted the car with sticks, stones and rocks and jacks and pulled the stump out. Looks like the car has some funny toe-out angles and the front right wheel is back about 10mm too far possibly due to the jumps with the cross member spreading etc. Martino has photos of the stump under the car etc so I'll see if we can wack them somewhere to point and laugh at.

So, it was a privilege to run at the pointy end of the field on our first decent attempt in the new car. Mitch Heffernan & Renee was obviously in a league of his own and gives us something to aim for...and good to see Darren Gee and Jamie at their 2004 RoC best!
Probably got a bit lucky with the swept roads but I wanted to end up within a second of a kilometer best case of the front runners in the ACT Series, at best, before the rally and I think we achieved that! We're going to try and make it for Bathurst, 9th May, as the ACT Series chances are a bit root-ied at the moment.

Thanks for reading!

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Oh... One more thing. I haven't seen the times Mel Mazzei was posting on any results sheet- but word is he was flying.... I'm thinking he was about on the same pace as Sessions.
Oh well it's pity Mel and Carlos both packed up and went home after SS3 - both cars with radiator issues. Thanks for leaving us your spare rims and tyres Mel, thankfully not required.

Paul & I got the VR4 home again despite some engine temp/rev limiting issues on SS3 and a flat 6km before the end of SS4...

It was good to have a roadbook that gave me something to do!

Again - dust was terrible, and smoke and fire on SS8 was an interesting experience.
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I was at the Speccie point in SS2 and SS6. We could see cars for miles, but we could properly see a right hand curve, followed by a RGR into a TR. The cars would appear into view halfway around the first curve, and then would disappear again as they completed the TR.

Most people misread the RGR as being the TR, and tried to turn in too early, and then had to open up their line and turn in again.

Here's what's worth mentioning:
*BossHair, Inall and Daveee were easily the most impressive in the first corner - they were the only three cars that had enough road speed to run wide on exit, and they all got their line totally right (erm, that' didn't make a lot of sense - the wide line was right - everyone else has to steer back out of the corner, rather than drifting out onto the good line).
Mitch and Claude were nearly as impressive (and probably had at least equal road speed) but still had too much left in reserve to be as throughly impressive.

*Inall then stuffed up the RGR and slapped the inside bank. A later Gemini did the same thing about ten times as hard - I forgot to pay attention to who it was because I was trying to sus out if they'd done any damage.
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Unsurprisingly, Darren was about to leap into the trees after this photo was taken, but the Gemi got back on course and disaster was averted.

*Joyner in the Datto, had no gears... He DNF'd a few hundred metres down the road... His frustration was obvious while he was driving past - it wasn't hard to imagine the words used inside the car as he went past.

*The second run through was a joke - total lucky dip through the dust. And it didn't really matter who was in front of any car, it was consistantly bad - but sometimes a tiny breeze would pick up, and one lucky person would have less dust than the cars around him...
Peter Vlandis was one that got lucky - as he was appraoching the speccie point, the dust just disappeared and he got a clear run (for a couple of hundred metres, anyhow)... Hardly fair conditions...
If the event starts at 12pm (or earlier) next year, then I'll be there with my rally car. If not, then I can't see the point in competing, to be honest.

*Gav Neale's VR4 in the dust - I literally couldn't see any sign of a car in the dust, but I could sure hear it! It a bellowing twenty foot tall monster appeared from the dust, instead of a rally car, it wouldn't have been particularly surprising...
Angry, angry car, and he doesn't appear to be afriad of it either.

*Daveee's rear discs spitting sparks as they ground away the backing plates of the pads...
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