Yet another newbie from SA

[nadg63]

We got through OK, but yes for the first time went through the first aid kit totally checking everything was there and dates!

Also, with the cage, they wanted to see the original form filed with the cage to get the ok and sticker - even though the sticker/log book all matched up - go figure! Think we were one of the few that had the form with us due to the fact the doc. file was still in the car from Mt Alma.

Never had either of the above procedures done previously! (caught a lot of people on the hop!)

Anything to make things hard.

And to flat04, yes, every car!

[damian]

the checking of first aid kits was just something done especially for this rally, all competitors were notified prior to the event, so we had a heads up.

but... the roll cage. what a load of b-s. Like you say Andrew, who carries that paperwork with them?? Competitors were not warned to bring said documentation. Rob Black in a GT3 was failed for having an FIA spec cage (factory fitted of course), because he couldn't show CAMS documents for it?!?! wtf!?!?!

and the loose shoulder strap on my suit - it's designed to give way according to Autosport. The front and rear of shoulder strap are secure, the centre is only attached for asthetic purposes. They still swapped the suit.

Our roll cage - Chris can't find the paperwork, CAMS SA office can't find their record of it either ("it may have been sent interstate for storage"), and the person in head office is away today, so they can't help there either.

Apparently something is being done in the background, because apparently there are 4 other cars in the same situation

I also heard last cars left there at 1am?!?!

[Catie]

Originally Posted by flat04

So how did you end up choosing Dave's multi colour work of art?

At his request! Sent him an email late last year asking if he was intending on racing this year and if he needed a co-driver if yes. Original answer was no except for the odd event...3 months later it turned into a full SARC/SACS season Poor Chris has been relegated from Recovery to Service Crew...payback for the last few years, haha!

First Aid Kit shouldn't have caught people out...Event Secretary emailed all competitors notifying them that first aid kits would be checked in detail. But nothing about roll cages! Surely if the logbook and sticker match up it's all good - as Andrew said, especially if it's a car known to scrutineers! Was a bit of a crock, lots of line jumping going on, but situation normal I suppose! I reckon they need to look at allocated times with that many competitors. We didn't get in the bays until 10.40 or something like that, by the time the car was finished and loaded on the trailer it was after 11. Nothing like a Vili's dinner at 11.30! Knackered today, had to have a nanna nap

One interesting thing on the entry list though - Supercharged Corolla listed in P2! Noticed it last night but was way beyond the point of thinking clearly, double checked again and yep! Supercharged 1.5l Corolla in P2.

[Catie]

Originally Posted by damian

and the loose shoulder strap on my suit - it's designed to give way according to Autosport. The front and rear of shoulder strap are secure, the centre is only attached for asthetic purposes. They still swapped the suit.

I also heard last cars left there at 1am?!?!

Weird - the shoulder straps aren't even stitched in the middle on my suit, so technically that should have failed too! Who checked your gear?

Like I said, we got out of the bays at 11ish, there were still 4-5 cars behinds us, would have been nearly midnight by the time they were done.

[damian]

Originally Posted by Catie

Weird - the shoulder straps aren't even stitched in the middle on my suit, so technically that should have failed too! Who checked your gear?

don't know, but i'll be nice about it and say a very friendly gentleman. If I wasn't such a newbie I would have argued with them and got away with it I guess

but the roll cages, hmmmm. basically calling everybody liars - "you obtained that sticker from elsewhere and stuck it on your homemade alfoil roll cage"

allocated times for scrutineering would have been an excellent idea.

[Velocity Racing]

I spoke to Chris at work today.. pretty crappy about the roll cages.. who was the cheif scruit?

I doubt hardly anyone would have that paperwork as you need to submit it to CAMS to get the sticker.. Chris' cage is compliant in every way.. not good..

Catie, dont know about any supercharged corollas, both Guy Tylers and also Ross Kinghams cars run 4AGE motors.. (1600cc)..

[nadg63]

Originally Posted by damian

the checking of first aid kits was just something done especially for this rally, all competitors were notified prior to the event, so we had a heads up

That's why we passed!

[nadg63]

Originally Posted by Velocity Racing

I spoke to Chris at work today.. pretty crappy about the roll cages.. who was the cheif scruit?

I doubt hardly anyone would have that paperwork as you need to submit it to CAMS to get the sticker.. Chris' cage is compliant in every way.. not good..

Catie, dont know about any supercharged corollas, both Guy Tylers and also Ross Kinghams cars run 4AGE motors.. (1600cc)..

Chief Scrut - Ashley Dunn.

[Pickstock Rally Team]

When cage paperwork is sent to CAMS, they send you the silver sticker for the cage and they also send back paperwork with this. This should be the case for all cars log booked after 2000 (approximate guess of date). I am only assuming this process is still in place.

There is no point having a first aid kit if none of the gear in it is useful because it is out of date. I believe the new rules say you need to add extra stuff to the first aid kit. Checking the contents of first aid kits should happen more often in my opinion.

It is a tarmac rally. They are always scrutineered more strictly. With the speeds rising of these events and more accidents happening, the stricter the guidelines and scrutineering will become.

If people are unhappy with the level of scrutineering at events, they can always attend the Scrutineering Panel meetings to express their views and ask questions. On the night, I am sure if approached, Ashley would be more than happy to stand to one side and rationally explain things to you.

Just my thoughts. If it was not for people like Ashley, you would not have scrutineers for things like these tarmac events. No one likes volunteering these days due to the backlash they get from competitors.

Lisi (login hijacking as per usual - if you want to bad rep me, I am Rally Angel)

[Catie]

Originally Posted by Velocity Racing

Catie, dont know about any supercharged corollas, both Guy Tylers and also Ross Kinghams cars run 4AGE motors.. (1600cc)..

Yeah I had a feeling Ross'd swapped it to the non-supercharged, it's just listed as supercharged on the entry list - was going to check with whoever when we get to Mallala tomorrow.

Yep, Ash was the chief Scrut. We were just lucky that Dave's dad had copies of all of the cage paperwork!

[Pickstock Rally Team]

Ok, back again. Just did some digging through our CAMS/Scrutineering documents (quite sad we have this stuff on tap really!). Obviously a sign of requiring a new hobby!

Ok, Safety Cage Registration Form.

The paperwork comes with 3 pages (white one on top, yellow in the middle, blue on the bottom). It is like the carbon copy stuff. Write on the top page and it duplicates on the other 2 pages.

Instructions on the bottom of this paperwork say:

"Distribution: White Original: Vehicle Owner, Yellow Duplicate: Retain with logbook application, Blue Duplicate: Manufacturer Retains."

[Catie]

Not unhappy with the level of scrut - if people were failed because of first-aid kits then it's their bad luck because they didn't read their emails Just would have been nice to have had a heads up about the paperwork - usually if the sticker and logbook match, it's fine. With Chris being a nurse and me a student, our first aid kits were so overstocked the Scrut who checked our gear pretty much went 'Yep, if your kit can't cover an injury, you've got bigger problems than a sprained ankle or a cut!"

I have nothing against Ash whatsoever, I think he and his crew did a great job with the amount of crap they would have put up with last night! After being an official for the last 5 years and copping my fair share, I'd certainly not dish it to them! That being said, there was one scrut who was going way OTT - not to be a pain, just through enthusiasm for the job - which is great and I'd much rather them be enthusiastic and OTT than OTT coz they're in a crappy mood

It really just highlighted a few issues with the running of scrut - most cars were in the bay for 30odd minutes at least, PoPo being called because cars were double parked because there simply wasn't enough room for all of the cars - which weren't to be known as it's the first time it's been run as a National event and with that number of cars. It's given the organising team a few thing to consider for next year though, especially if it gets bigger - things such as allocated times similar to RoSA, split scrut so SARC on one night and National on another etc.

It's shaping up to be a great event so far, can't wait til comp starts

[damian]

Originally Posted by Catie

Not unhappy with the level of scrut - if people were failed because of first-aid kits then it's their bad luck because they didn't read their emails Just would have been nice to have had a heads up about the paperwork - usually if the sticker and logbook match, it's fine. With Chris being a nurse and me a student, our first aid kits were so overstocked the Scrut who checked our gear pretty much went 'Yep, if your kit can't cover an injury, you've got bigger problems than a sprained ankle or a cut!"

I have nothing against Ash whatsoever, I think he and his crew did a great job with the amount of crap they would have put up with last night! After being an official for the last 5 years and copping my fair share, I'd certainly not dish it to them! That being said, there was one scrut who was going way OTT - not to be a pain, just through enthusiasm for the job - which is great and I'd much rather them be enthusiastic and OTT than OTT coz they're in a crappy mood

It really just highlighted a few issues with the running of scrut - most cars were in the bay for 30odd minutes at least, PoPo being called because cars were double parked because there simply wasn't enough room for all of the cars - which weren't to be known as it's the first time it's been run as a National event and with that number of cars. It's given the organising team a few thing to consider for next year though, especially if it gets bigger - things such as allocated times similar to RoSA, split scrut so SARC on one night and National on another etc.

It's shaping up to be a great event so far, can't wait til comp starts

same, I actually said to the scrutineers it is excellent to see it so tight as it is only looking after us, the competitors. A lot of people there agreed too the first aid kits should be checked regularly, and hopefully we never have to use them. We only failed the F/A Kit because I'm a newbie and didn't know to check dates, I just checked contents while Chris was changing tyres.

As Catie said, pity we didn't get a heads up about roll cage paperwork, but oh well...

My suit, well, all good now.

Originally Posted by Catie

It's shaping up to be a great event so far, can't wait til comp starts

and second that, can't wait for today, hardly slept a wink last night

If it's half as much fun as Mt Alma it will be a blast.

and I'm officialling on Sunday to see the other side of the fence (first time too)

see ya all out there!

[razoo]

Originally Posted by Pickstock Rally Team

"Distribution: White Original: Vehicle Owner, Yellow Duplicate: Retain with logbook application, Blue Duplicate: Manufacturer Retains."

I stapled mine to the back cover of the logbook

G

[Rally Angel]

Originally Posted by damian

didn't get a heads up about roll cage paperwork

IMHO, competitors shouldn't need a heads up on this. It is all standard vehicle documentation (same as the logbook, homologation papers if required etc etc). All vehicle documents are required as part of documentation checks. Whether you are asked for it or not, you should still have it in your documentation collection.

Good luck to all those out there this weekend. I hope it is successful.