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16-07-2008, 12:13 AM
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POWER STAGE ROAD CLOSURE!!!!
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Harness Eye Bolts
Has anyone ever seen or heard of some longer harness eye bolts?
Strange I know.
Just bought some harnesses from Ian at Seemore and the crutch strap is about an inch or two too short. Because of the position of the eye bolt ( behind the seat) I can't extend it.
Any ideas?
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16-07-2008, 12:37 AM
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Borrow Todd McKenney's platform shoes from Priscilla Q.O.D Stage show and move the seat back a few inches.  Or better yet get the snip and tuck. That should save you a couple inches. 
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16-07-2008, 01:22 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyray
Has anyone ever seen or heard of some longer harness eye bolts?
Strange I know.
Just bought some harnesses from Ian at Seemore and the crutch strap is about an inch or two too short. Because of the position of the eye bolt ( behind the seat) I can't extend it.
Any ideas?
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why not just move the mounting plate forward its only a nut welded to a plate under the floor isn't it
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16-07-2008, 10:01 AM
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POWER STAGE ROAD CLOSURE!!!!
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The eye mount is mounted in the bar that runs behind seat. I'd prefer not to wear platform shoes or move my seat back if I can.
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16-07-2008, 10:37 AM
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what about some rod or aluminium bar with a thread tapped in it screw the eyelet in one end and screw a thread to the other end basically lengthening the thread? sorry if its confusing drawing on the way 
Last edited by mattj; 16-07-2008 at 10:53 AM.
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16-07-2008, 10:42 AM
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I thought the CAMS manual showed that the crutch belt straps should be +/- 10 degs of vertical, so as Ric said - move the mounts.
Mark
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16-07-2008, 11:03 AM
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Don't know if I fully understand what you plan on doing, but if it's what I think it is, sounds dodgy.
those eye bolts are designed to seat against the shoulder. The longer ones are for use on thicker mounting points (or through properly sleeved cage bars etc.), not to move the eye further away from the mounting point.
Depending on the orientation of the bolt, having a long threaded section sticking out before the eye can cause the bolt to bend or break.
Is it possible to move the bolt mount closer to the front of the car? That would be a preferred option.
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16-07-2008, 11:15 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Warps
those eye bolts are designed to seat against the shoulder. The longer ones are for use on thicker mounting points (or through properly sleeved cage bars etc.), not to move the eye further away from the mounting point.
Depending on the orientation of the bolt, having a long threaded section sticking out before the eye can cause the bolt to bend or break.
Is it possible to move the bolt mount closer to the front of the car? That would be a preferred option.
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It would be possible to move the bolt mount closer but it would take a bit of work and I don't really have the time.
The plan is to find a nut that suits the thread on the bolt and put that in between the eye and the sleeve. If that makes sense.
Combined with moving the seat back one slot I should be right.
Also, The bolt is for the centre crutch strap so It would only be pulled forward, not up and forward like a side mount eye bolt.
I might be yabbering...
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16-07-2008, 11:35 AM
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Be very careful. You are much better off moving the mount to comply with the CAMS manual. This is one rule that is based on a bad experience. A few years ago Stewie Ried and Michelle Murphy had a mounental in Tassie and the crutch straps were mounted similar to yours. In the accident the strap ripped the seat causing nasty bruising to Michelle. It was after this accident that the rule was added tho the manual.
Cheers Troy
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16-07-2008, 11:38 AM
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Do you have the ruling in the CAMS manual handy>?
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16-07-2008, 11:45 AM
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Quote:
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Do you have the ruling in the CAMS manual handy>?
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http://www.camsmanual.com.au/pdf/gen...ule_I_Q308.pdf
Page 4..
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16-07-2008, 11:56 AM
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Klytus I'm bored...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Troy
Be very careful. You are much better off moving the mount to comply with the CAMS manual. This is one rule that is based on a bad experience. A few years ago Stewie Ried and Michelle Murphy had a mounental in Tassie and the crutch straps were mounted similar to yours. In the accident the strap ripped the seat causing nasty bruising to Michelle. It was after this accident that the rule was added tho the manual.
Cheers Troy
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Do you know anything more about that? I'm trying to work out if the seat moved relative to the mounts (in which case the side straps would have also been doing bad things), or perhaps the crossbar section of the cage moved back which would have to be rated as a big crash. What I'm saying is that if they hit hard enough to move the cage that far and "got away" with nasty bruising, I would have thought that the system could have been taken to work remarkably well...
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16-07-2008, 12:24 PM
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Troy ODoherty
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The footage was shown on Ten and from memory they came down hill into a L3 and it all went pear shaped. They rolled heavily. During the accident the back of the seat became lodged between Michelles helmet and the base of her skull. This resulted in her helmet being forced off while still fastened.  It was a leading brand helmet no a $50 cheapy. A large contributer to the injurys was the tearing caused by the crutch strap. They were both very lucky to get out with relitively minor injurys. This info came from the then ARC chief scrutineer, and wasnt widely publisied.
I often feel that more info should be shared about the nature of injuries and the contributing factors than currently happens. It would result in better acceptance from the club competitor than just saying you must do this or that.
Cheers Troy
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16-07-2008, 12:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Troy
Be very careful. A few years ago Stewie Ried and Michelle Murphy had a mounental in Tassie and the crutch straps were mounted similar to yours. In the accident the strap ripped the seat causing nasty bruising to Michelle. It was after this accident that the rule was added tho the manual.
Cheers Troy
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Was that the barrel roll afer the RGR over crest (or something like that)?. That WAS a big accident. I recall Michelle's helmet came off in the carnage.
Ray - if you sleeve the whole length of the bolt so that the shoulder still seats solidly on a hard, flat surface, then the bolt should still work OK.
As far as the other CAMS regs go, I have NFI I'm afraid 
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